Witchcraft Resurgence

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Why are so many people today shunning real medicine, vaccines etc for hoaxes and gimmicks like essential oils, weight loss powders, etc? Any ideas why so many are turning away from actual medicine?

We need a real life person to run things, yes.

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1 hour ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

We need a real life person to run things, yes.

“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt The Younger

”A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything you have.” - Unknown

”Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.” - Daniel Webster

“A man's natural rights are his own, against the whole world; and any infringement of them is equally a crime; whether committed by one man, or by millions; whether committed by one man, calling himself a robber, or by millions calling themselves a government.” Lysander Spooner

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry." - Thomas Jefferson

Next time you think we should appoint somebody the power to infringe the liberties of others (no matter how well intentioned), realize that you are only as free as the least free person in our country. You think it’s okay to infringe the rights of others for the “collective good,” but you have no idea how close to tyranny that idea is, and when the long arm of that law will come back to steal your freedoms too. People need to start realizing what is less important is whether you are a Republic or Democrat, and what is more important is whether you are a Libertarian or Authoritarian.

“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” - Thomas Jefferson

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Aren’t libertarians like anarchists? I think authoritarian is the best system, because it makes sure everything is closely watched so it can be run efficiently.

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19 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Aren’t libertarians like anarchists? I think authoritarian is the best system, because it makes sure everything is closely watched so it can be run efficiently.

No, libertarian does not equal anarchist. There are varying degrees of both libertarianism and authoritarianism. Anarchy is on the extreme end of liberty and dictatorship and/or communism on the extreme end of authority.

Something you seem to be having a difficult time grasping, and is sort of the heart of what most of us are trying to get across to you, is that NOBODY and NO GOVERNMENT can be trusted to make such huge personal decisions for citizens as forced sterilization. That is a level of power that nobody can responsibility or ethically wield over another person.

You may want to go back and read the quotes again as you seem to be missing the very crux of the point.

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16 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Aren’t libertarians like anarchists? I think authoritarian is the best system, because it makes sure everything is closely watched so it can be run efficiently.

No, libertarians aren't like anarchists. The Soviet Union was authoritarian. And everyone and everything were closely watched. Have you ever met anyone who lived there under that system? Ask them how efficiently everything ran. Or you could try it for yourself. Make a prolonged visit to an authoriarian-run country. Let's see, there's Venezuela, China, North Korea, Iran...

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Maybe we should have a system combining aspects of authoritarian and freedom. Like you should have the freedom to dress how you like and express yourself, but you really should help contribute to the greater good. Others are counting on you.

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4 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Maybe we should have a system combining aspects of authoritarian and freedom. Like you should have the freedom to dress how you like and express yourself, but you really should help contribute to the greater good. Others are counting on you.

We have that system. The authoritarian part is that there is a system of laws that we all have to follow or face consequences. There is no law that says you can't contribute to the causes of your choice.

"The greater good" is one of those phrases that sound noble but no one is going to agree on what that actually means. Here is a beginning reading list for you, just the authors, you pick the actual works:

Ayn Rand

George Orwell

Aldous Huxley

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (fiction and non-fiction; both enlightening)

Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid's Tale)

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5 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Maybe we should have a system combining aspects of authoritarian and freedom. Like you should have the freedom to dress how you like and express yourself, but you really should help contribute to the greater good. Others are counting on you.

In the US we have a democracy, which is about as close to a middle ground as you are going to get.

You also bring up the point that there are many interpretations of what is good and bad, right and wrong, moral and immoral, so who gets the judge if not each individual for themselves?

For instance, you mention doing what is right for the collective good, but you also talk about abortion. You absolutely think abortion is good, where as I am vehemently opposed to abortion. I also believe in the right to freely carry automatic weapons, and my guess is you don’t. Who gets to be right? That’s where libertarianism comes in. You get to decide what is right for you and I get to decide what is right for me, and I can’t tell you what to do and you can’t tell me what to do. So that would mean you can get an abortion if you’d like but you can’t force me to (and I can’t keep you for getting one) and I can carry an automatic weapon in the mall but you don’t have to (and you can’t keep me from doing it).

Man, freedom is invigorating, is it not!?

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45 minutes ago, KatEverly said:

In the US we have a democracy, which is about as close to a middle ground as you are going to get.

We have a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

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I swear I'm allergic to the level of ignorance, bigotry, and hatefulness expressed by the OP. Why is this troll thread allowed to remain open? The mods really need to shut this one down because OP is detrimental to society and would do major harm in medicine. Forced sterilization because you feel they are less than or unworthy? Seriously? My mind won't begin to allow me to process the level of depravity that would take to be OK with basically what is tantamount to eugenics. NC just paid out reparations for eugenics in a decades long case about it.

I thought I was going to read a thread about witchcraft and medicine but it has morphed into something else altogether.

Mods, y'all need to handle this thread ASAP!

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17 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

I think many people misunderstand socialism. “Each gives according to his or her abilities, and takes according to his or her need”.

No, that is communism not socialism. Karl Marx 1875

12 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Well when you weigh the cost and the benefit to society it seems pretty heavily leaning towards sterilization. How many unwanted births would it prevent? Maybe a few of the procedures would not be reversible, but in the grand scheme it would be worth it. Think about the flu vaccine. Some people are allergic, but when you compare the minor risks and inconvenience, with the benefit it also is a no brainer. We have to not be selfish and think what’s best for society as a whole.

Well why not go the whole way? We could use the "tired, the poor, the huddled masses" to feed the rest of us. Think of the film Soylent Green(1973). We could even farm them to provide a store of organs or prime beef. Again think films/books already made/written. Look at "The Island" or read "Farnham's Freehold" by Robert A Heinlein.

8 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

We need a real life person to run things, yes.

Great idea! What would you call such a person? Fuhrer? Il Duce? Supreme Leader?

5 hours ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Maybe we should have a system combining aspects of authoritarian and freedom. Like you should have the freedom to dress how you like and express yourself, but you really should help contribute to the greater good. Others are counting on you.

I thought we already did have this system in US and Europe. I certainly have "the freedom to dress how you like and express yourself." As for contributing, I personally have worked for 50 years and paid taxes and national security payments on every wage.

I am now curious to see where this thread goes. How ignorant and childish does the OP wish to appear and how far are they willing to go?

Moderators, close the thread if you wish - I would certainly understand it.

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6 hours ago, TriciaJ said:

We have that system. The authoritarian part is that there is a system of laws that we all have to follow or face consequences. There is no law that says you can't contribute to the causes of your choice.

"The greater good" is one of those phrases that sound noble but no one is going to agree on what that actually means. Here is a beginning reading list for you, just the authors, you pick the actual works:

Ayn Rand

George Orwell

Aldous Huxley

Alexander Solzhenitsyn (fiction and non-fiction; both enlightening)

Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid's Tale)

I have read a few of Rand's and Orwell's, and Handmaids Tale. If you read those and cannot see the correlations between what you suggest and what is in these writings, I suggest some deep introspection on your part

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