Witchcraft Resurgence

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

Why are so many people today shunning real medicine, vaccines etc for hoaxes and gimmicks like essential oils, weight loss powders, etc? Any ideas why so many are turning away from actual medicine?

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

I don’t believe in killing anyone. And those handicapped, physically and mentally ill people are those I want to help. But if we are going to be able to afford it, we can’t waste our time on people refusing our help. It just doesn’t work. How would we pay for it all?

[TriciaJ, RN]

5 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

What is wrong with this idea? It would improve homelessness and over population in America. You can’t have both single payer healthcare AND treat every thing for everyone. Sterilization is easily performed and can be reversible. If they cannot afford to have kids, how can they repeatedly pay for multiple abortions (or we as a society)?

And I’m pretty much the complete opposite of a Nazi. I’m not the least bit conservative.

It has nothing to do with labeling oneself conservative or liberal. I personally consider myself to be mostly conservative, but I have huge problems with what you're suggesting.

First of all, I grew up where single payer healthcare was pioneered. It is a marvelous thing, but as the cost of healthcare continues to skyrocket, it becomes less marvelous all the time. For the most recent half of my life, I've lived where we have private insurance. My family still continues to "enjoy" single payer. I see major holes in both systems and cannot tell you, even from years of personal experience, which is preferable. Which is why I think a creative hybrid is in order, if people could lose their sacred cow mentality.

Now back to your premise about sterilizations and abortions. We're still talking about noncompliant people, right? What if they don't want to be sterilized or their pregnancies aborted? Who gets to decide if this gets forced on them? What other things will start getting forced? How much power do you want government to have?

For example: there used to be institutions for developmentally delayed people. In some places, it was seemed prudent to sterilize these people, against their will. The rationale was that they did not have the intellectual wherewithall to raise children. (I became aware of this because of a publicized class-action lawsuit in the 90s.)

So who gets to decide if you have the intellectual werewithall? Will it be determined by your academic success in which case you will pass with flying colours? Or will it be determined by your posts here and you are found to be lacking in the necessary maturity? Maybe you'll only have depo provera forced on you, so you can be reevaluated when you are a few years older.

You have a tendency to reduce things down to simplistic nuts and bolts, from people's spiritual practices, to health care policy. You need to greatly expand your exposure to ideas and your willingness to think about things.

[Tacocat, ASN, RN]

Holy *** so poor people aren't allowed to have families?

This is an abomination.

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

That’s why we elect people to decide these things, I don’t know all of the minutia but think about it- what’s worse? Bringing many children into a world with no one to care for them or sterilizing people to avoid this unnecessary suffering (and probably doing them a favor since they won’t have to worry about pregnancy getting in the way?) They can focus on bettering their situation. Ending their drug abuse cycle, building a foundation to not be homeless, etc. It would be doing them a favor.

I never said “poor people”. I said people without the means to care for a family. Homeless, drug addicted, etc.

[klone, MSN, RN]

G-d save us from your "favors"

Admin, can we get rid of this troll? Please?

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

Do you have a better solution? Just because you disagree I’m a troll? It’s SOOO much more humane to have children in orphanages right?

There are so many ad campaigns about spaying and neutering pets, because there are all of those poor animals without a home, and they’re suffering because of it. Can’t you draw a parallel to see a solution to homelessness and unwanted HUMAN children? It’s sad when we care more about fixing unwanted pet problems than unwanted human problems. It makes me want to cry.

[Tacocat, ASN, RN]

11 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

That’s why we elect people to decide these things, I don’t know all of the minutia but think about it- what’s worse? Bringing many children into a world with no one to care for them or sterilizing people to avoid this unnecessary suffering (and probably doing them a favor since they won’t have to worry about pregnancy getting in the way?) They can focus on bettering their situation. Ending their drug abuse cycle, building a foundation to not be homeless, etc. It would be doing them a favor.

I never said “poor people”. I said people without the means to care for a family. Homeless, drug addicted, etc.

Literally all of this is deeply offensive. I hope you never know anyone struggling with drug abuse, and I hope you understand that a large majority of people in America live paycheck to paycheck, even with "good" jobs.

It's easy when you have a wealthy background. If you lost your job, I'm sure your surgeon daddy would ensure you're fed and clothed and have a roof over your head. I'm sure he wouldn't evict you if you couldn't give him his monthly pittance towards your room and board.

Go spend some times with the homeless, with the mentally ill, with the drug-dependent and tell me they're less than human. Because forced sterilization and reducing the availability of medical care is exactly that: treating them as less than, a lower class, less deserving. These people face enough stigma that they don't need the reincarnation of Mengele deciding what they're worth.

These "ideas" of yours are perverse and disgusting and the idea of someone like you working in medicine is any capacity is shameful.

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

I never said any of them are less than human. If they were less than human it wouldn’t bother me so much about how many children have no homes.

I never said living paycheck to paycheck is a problem. I think there’s a big miscommunication. I want to HELP the homeless and drug addicted. Without having to worry about obtaining birth control, or unwanted children, they can get to a better situation. Maybe have the sterilization reversed if they are in a better situation in the future. I’m not even saying it should be mandatory. Maybe we could incentivize it, financially.

[Tacocat, ASN, RN]

4 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

I never said living paycheck to paycheck is a problem. I think there’s a big miscommunication. I want to HELP the homeless and drug addicted. Without having to worry about obtaining birth control, or unwanted children, they can get to a better situation. Maybe have the sterilization reversed if they are in a better situation in the future. I’m not even saying it should be mandatory. Maybe we could incentivize it, financially.

There's no miscommunication. I work with a large homeless organization in Massachusetts, in the heart of the opioid crisis. I DO help the homeless and drug addicted, on the front lines. I'd upload my damned business card if I could.

And I repeat: your ideas are disgusting. Incentivizing sterilization is disgusting. Can you imagine telling someone homeless or drug addicted they'd get a stipend if they consented? Someone literally desperate for money, who likely won't fully understand what they're agreeing to, even if they claim they do, just because they NEED that $?

[klone, MSN, RN]

OP, I agree that your ideas are disgusting. They have no place on a professional nursing website. Please....stop.

[HelpfulNatureHopeful]

Okay.. it was just an idea. The healthcare situation is anything but simple. We will all be in poverty down the road if we don’t find a solution.

[Tacocat, ASN, RN]

4 minutes ago, HelpfulNatureHopeful said:

Okay.. it was just an idea. The healthcare situation is anything but simple. We will all be in poverty down the road if we don’t find a solution.

Well, not you once you become a surgeon and rake in those sweet sweet CMS dollars.