I don't know if that is the right word I'm looking for. Why is it considered "ok" and acceptable for patients to decline male nurses caring for them or even just for procedures such as putting in a Foley?
Background: I'm a senior nursing student (male) and I've had about 3-4 patients my entire nursing school career who refused to have a male nurse come in. For example, today at clinicals, I had a female patient with an order for a Foley before discharge, and she told my preceptor for me to leave the room. Another example, during my 2nd semester, I experienced 2 different occasions where the patient refused to have any care by a male whatsoever.
I feel like that is literally like a White couple coming into a restaurant and refusing service from a Black/Latino server and requesting a white server.
Why can't the hospital just say, " If you don't want a male nurses, then leave?" I think it's crazy that in the year 2019, no one bats an eye if a patient refuses care by a male nurse, and the automatic response is " Don't worry! As a male nurse you have to get used to it! ? "
Wow, I have to remark, there are some 'wacky' responses
I'd be much more fearful of 'care' from an incompetent nurse ( or Dr) than worry about gender specifics, & perhaps the patients who openly express such concerns should, ah, trigger - then receive a visit from a clinical nurse educator - to provide guidance/support (for patient & nurse both) about reasonable professional expectations?
Okay, key word here - *I* would be more much more fearful of care from an incompetent nurse than worry about gender specifics.
Well,*I* would too, but you see, this isn't about YOU or I. It's about the PATIENT. You and I may not be suffering from PTSD related to sexual assault, so what you are I think is completely and absolutely irrelevant. Bringing in a nurse educator to "educate" the fear or trauma out of a patient so that we can "stand behind our colleagues" would be completely and utterly inappropriate. Same with religious practices.
This is NOT ABOUT THE NURSE. It's about the patient, and any nurse who tries to ram this down a patient's throat is the one who needs to be "educated."
Sexism is about thinking and propagating that a person is inferior because of their sex. That has nothing to do with the scenario presented.
This thread was about making it unacceptable for ...but hey, they used to hate on MLK, and every other progressive idea too....Have a good night.
Advocating that we as nurses should force a male nurse on an unwilling female patient to insert a foley (or vice versa, a female onto an unwilling man) is not a "progressive idea"- it's abuse.
What does it matter if I am doing Med school prereqs or finding a least demanding job? What does that affect you in any way? Am I hurting anyone? No. Am I not being safe? No. Am I giving medications unsafely? No. Then what is it to you? If I can pass my NCLEX and graduate from a great BSN program with honors then how about you silence yourself?
Please stop lecturing me about life from an internet post; You don't know me based off a few sentences online. You don't know me at all, I promise.
This thread was about making it unacceptable for discrimination in the workplace, and all I got were responses saying Sexism/Racism are ok if your a nurse. Such backwards thinking here....You might hate that idea....but hey, they used to hate on MLK, and every other progressive idea too....Have a good night.
Actually yes, you are being unsafe if you continue to insist that abuse of patients' right to autonomy is okay. I'd say you are an extremely unsafe nurse because you are focused on yourself. Any nurse that can't take the focus away from his or herself is dangerous.
I am not saying you can't be privately annoyed that someone feels that way. I may be deviating from others' opinions on this, but it is only human to be upset internally when someone decides not to have anything to do with you based on a characteristic you cannot change. Where this crosses the line is where you believe that we should mandate patients be cared for by people they don't want or be kicked out. If we really did this, where would it stop? Could you then refuse to give care to gang members, politicians, drug addicts, etc? I feel this is in the same vein because for some reason you are deciding who is worthy of care based on your own feelings, and we are taught day one in nursing school that this is unacceptable.
One last thing, you have a very poor attitude toward a huge amount of patients. Why did you want to become a nurse? Do you really want to care for people? I'm skeptical because if you wanted to take good care of others, your focus wouldn't be on yourself while the person in front of you is sick, uncomfortable, and going through a pretty rotten time.
Please stop lecturing me about life from an internet post; You don't know me based off a few sentences online. You don't know me at all, I promise.
I don't believe I would want to know you. And you probably are a great guy in person, how would I know, but I wouldn't want to know you if I knew you wrote this thread. It's extremely offensive. You talk about sexism. Women and men have rights and one is to refuse care from a specific gender. It is INCOMPARABLE to racism. Within the Hasidic Jewish population, men frequently refuse care of any kind from female nurses. Should I say that's sexism? Are you for real? I hope you're just trying to get a rise out of people.
Everyone, we are all wrong, all our points of view make us bigots...I'm a Hispanic female who was assaulted...I know nothing of discrimination or the difficulties in the world, how DARE I feel intimidated by a male, I MUST BE SEXIST (and in the same token racist apparently), throw me in the fire. My mindset must be "1930's" since I support anyone who feels uncomfortable receiving care from the opposite sex...must mean I support RACISM(???)/sexism.
Be the "change" Cowboy. Be the change. Demand your right to kick sick people out of hospitals because they denied your foley insertion.
Why do you even come here? To fight? You certainly aren't open minded, you don't even try to consider the opinions of others, you just want to argue your point and bash others who disagree. Que your nasty response back to me. It's okay though, I'm a bigotted sexist, so I probably deserve it.
If I can pass my NCLEX and graduate from a great BSN program with honors then how about you silence yourself?
You are not a moderator. You do not have the right to tell another poster they cannot post their opinions. As long as they are not violating terms of service, they may respond when and however they want whenever they want, whether you like their response or not.
You started this thread. When you ask a question, you should be prepared to receive any possible answer from the readers. Otherwise, what is the point? Maybe you should put a condition in your original post:
"Please answer my question, but only if what you says affirms and validates my position."
You are not a moderator. You do not have the right to tell another poster they cannot post their opinions. As long as they are not violating terms of service, they may respond when and however they want whenever they want, whether you like their response or not.
You started this thread. When you ask a question, you should be prepared to receive any possible answer from the readers. Otherwise, what is the point? Maybe you should put a condition in your original post:
"Please answer my question, but only if what you says affirms and validates my position."
You responded to my thread. You should be prepared to recieve any response from me; otherwise you should put a condition under your post.
Don't like it? Ignore this thread and leave, lol. Stop comprehension skills ITT
I don't believe I would want to know you. And you probably are a great guy in person, how would I know, but I wouldn't want to know you if I knew you wrote this thread. It's extremely offensive. You talk about sexism. Women and men have rights and one is to refuse care from a specific gender. It is INCOMPARABLE to racism. Within the Hasidic Jewish population, men frequently refuse care of any kind from female nurses. Should I say that's sexism? Are you for real? I hope you're just trying to get a rise out of people.
Yes, it is a form of sexism against females. Lets not act like religion is the most "progressive" thing when it comes to different races, genders and ethnicity.
If Religion X said " We don't receive care from *insert race here*", would that be racist? Of course. That is a complete BS excuse that maybe could have worked in 1940, but unacceptable in 2019. Females are just as capable as men and vice versa to compete a task.
Any idiot knows what Dr. King stood for and it wasn’t some whiny man-child’s right to touch someone against their will which, BTW, is starting to sound a little creepy to me. No, I don’t know James W. But so far my experience leads me to not really want to and I’m sure the feeling is mutual.
And wow! You really burned me. ?
He stood for equal rights. And people laughed at him. Thought his ideas were stupid. Thought he was outrageous. And killed him.
You are twisting my words around. Where did I say I was going to touch someone against their will.
Please, I will delete my account on this website if you can find anywhere on this thread me saying I'm going to forcefully put a foley on a female's lady parts.
If you could comprehend the original post, if patient's don't want a certain race/gender nurse, the hospital should transfer them out. PLEASE READ. Thanks!
Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
19 minutes ago, Cowboy96 said:
Please, I will delete my account on this website if you can find anywhere on this thread me saying I'm going to forcefully put a foley on a female's lady parts.
Put a foley where now? Sounds like someone needs an anatomy refresher.
But seriously, your attitude shows through very clearly here. Should you graduate and become licensed, you would be extremely wise to tone it down in interviews and on the job.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
OK this is a really hot topic and certainly is food for thought. Saying that however we request that members are respectful towards each other and we will always see posts that either agree or disagree with something that has been posted and that doesn't mean you tell them to 'Shut up". Sometimes a good discussion can change or reinforce your thoughts and interactions with others and as we all know typing something doesn't always come across in the same way as talking verbally to each other.
I am going to re open the thread but ask that we respect each other
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Okay, key word here - *I* would be more much more fearful of care from an incompetent nurse than worry about gender specifics.
Well,*I* would too, but you see, this isn't about YOU or I. It's about the PATIENT. You and I may not be suffering from PTSD related to sexual assault, so what you are I think is completely and absolutely irrelevant. Bringing in a nurse educator to "educate" the fear or trauma out of a patient so that we can "stand behind our colleagues" would be completely and utterly inappropriate. Same with religious practices.
This is NOT ABOUT THE NURSE. It's about the patient, and any nurse who tries to ram this down a patient's throat is the one who needs to be "educated."
Sexism is about thinking and propagating that a person is inferior because of their sex. That has nothing to do with the scenario presented.