I am taking classes towards my BSN because like other nurses with a diploma or ADN I am being "forced" to return to school for my BSN. I have had my ADN for 9 years. My question is HOW is statistics, critical inquiry, and the other classes going to make me a better nurse? Isn't hands on training the best way to learn? I feel like they are requiring BSN now and in 10 years want MSN so that we wont need doctors working on the floors, because nurses will do their own orders!!
I am 42 y/o and rally don't want to do this, but I have a minimum of 23 years left of working and had to be forced to stay where I am due to not having a BSN. Sure they say we may be "grandfathered" in, but that limits us to stay put.
Anyone have any input on this, as to what am I going to learn getting my BSN and why the requirement now?
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Second, You make no argument as to how the ANA, AACN, and the IOCM directly benefit from there being a better-educated workforce.
Why would I make that argument when, as I have said, I do not belive that a workforce with a higher degree is the goal of the ANA and AACN (the IOM is different and has zero credabiliety with me).
My argument is that they are NOT interested in a better educated workforce. I say this judging from the actions they take and the positions they stand behind.
If the goal of the ANA & AACN where a beter educated work force then why wouldn't they take the well beaten path to one that other professions have taken? The one that has proven to be effective? The conclusion I have reached is that a better educated work force is not their goal at all.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
Paramedics can also take the program right after receiving their cert. This is a very easy way for a Paramedic to get to RN. It is definitely shorter than any "bridge" program.
You need to start providing links to back up your statements. I have provided them when I need to make a point. I could also link back to your own posts when you question what I have written concerning your statements.
Very few Paramedic programs in the United States have the same prerequisites of nursing schools. In fact, many Paramedic programs are taught at private tech schools, fire departments and ambulance services. It may takes at least two semesters to take the prerequisites. I don't believe there are many colleges with will allow you to take A&P 1 with A&P 2 in the same semester.
So, please provide a link to a college nursing program which allows a Paramedic to complete the nursing program in just 2 semesters.
But, for those who do make the prerequisites to enter the Excelsior program, some have bragged on completing it in less than 6 months. California does not recognize Excelsior so I really don't care but some Paramedics have completed the program to cross a stateline to work especially if the state has no minimum clinical hours requirement.
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Any ADN program that requires 116 semester hours is certainly an outlier in nursing education. Or it's possible that you've misunderstood what is required to earn a bachelor's degree, regardless of major. Because there are so many pathways to a BSN, no wonder people get confused!
For people who have an ADN and are RNs, RN-to-BSN programs are NOT 60 hours long and they are not academically equivalent to ABSN programs. For RN-to-BSN programs, college credit--up to 30 semester hours--is given for work experience and the balance of the 60 required hours is coursework.
I don't believe I've been confused but maybe so...regardless of how many credit hours I graduated with obtaining my ADN (I don't believe I gave a specific number), my RN to BSN program would only accept 75 and by the end of the 22 month program (that was 50% hybrid and 50% in classroom where the teachers came to MY city...AKA NOT an online diploma mill) I graduated with a total of 128 credits. That's a lovely 53 credits to obtain my BSN degree aside from the 75 they accepted. I believe that I am only confused by the comment that I may have "misunderstood what is required to earn a bachelor's degree". :***:
I also don't know how any ADN/diploma would get an RN to BSN program mixed up with an ABSN program...I've had 5+ years of college between my ADN and BSN, not just 18 months as some ABSN schools offer in my area (Yes, I understand already having all the prerequisites/gen Eds thing from a previous bachelors). My tradeoff to spending more time in school was getting on the job experience and having to pay much less in student loans...
And Wooh, I generally enjoy reading your comments but how can peer-reviewed evidence-based practice articles that provide continuing education credits even be compared to watching You tube???
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
You need to start providing links to back up your statements. I have provided them when I need to make a point. I could also link back to your own posts when you question what I have written concerning your statements.
Very few Paramedic programs in the United States have the same prerequisites of nursing schools. In fact, many Paramedic programs are taught at private tech schools, fire departments and ambulance services. It may takes at least two semesters to take the prerequisites. I don't believe there are many colleges with will allow you to take A&P 1 with A&P 2 in the same semester.
So, please provide a link to a college nursing program which allows a Paramedic to complete the nursing program in just 2 semesters.
But, for those who do make the prerequisites to enter the Excelsior program, some have bragged on completing it in less than 6 months. California does not recognize Excelsior so I really don't care but some Paramedics have completed the program to cross a stateline to work especially if the state has no minimum clinical hours requirement.
I didn't make a statement, I asked a question. You can tell the questions beacause they are followed by "?" at the end. I was under the impression that a paramedic to RN program was two semesters. I was asking of Excelsior was shorter than that. Given your response above I guess the answer is yes.
I didn't make a statement, I asked a question. You can tell the questions beacause they are followed by "?" at the end. I was under the impression that a paramedic to RN program was two semesters. I was asking of Excelsior was shorter than that. Given your response above I guess the answer is yes.
What else would you like me to back up?
In the American language a question can also indicate sarcasm. Where did you get the "2 semesters" from for a bridge program for Paramedics. YOU mentioned it. If know of a 2 semester bridge program, please provide a link. I am sure there are several Paramedics looking for a shortcut for becoming an RN. Otherwise, why would you just make up a statement with those numbers? (That is a guestion.)
At the end of the program,they do have to go to one of four testing centers to pass the two day clinical testing;if they pass,they are awarded an Adn. They can then sit for boards in most states.
That is not the same as "accepting LPN-level practice" in lieu of "RN-equivalent clinical hours." You asserted they accepted hours working as an LPN in place of clinical hours. In this testing period, they would (theoretically comprehensively, though I have my doubts how this could be equivalent to the number of clinical hours of training at RN level) be testing you at RN level of performance.
I stand by my opinion that working or having worked at LPN level while completing this program would not do anything to further RN-level skills, in that you would be exceeding your scope of practice to practice them during that period. And this is why ...
... this degree is not accepted by all states. Actually, not that many. We all know that there are states that will not accept this degree. Furthermore, even if you pass NCLEX in a state that does accept it, a state which does not accept it will not allow you to take licensure there by reciprocity/endorsement. People have been shocked to learn this. Word to the wise.
At the end of the program,they do have to go to one of four testing centers to pass the two day clinical testing;if they pass,they are awarded an Adn. They can then sit for boards in most states.
Yes, but not because their LPN work experience is counted as clinical hours in an RN program; it's because EC, for some reason I can't begin to fathom, has convinced most state BONs to treat their students v. differently than every other nursing student in the US, and not require them to have X number of hours of supervised clinical experience in school in order to be eligible for licensure.
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
In the American language a question can also indicate sarcasm. Where did you get the "2 semesters" from for a bridge program for Paramedics. YOU mentioned it. If know of a 2 semester bridge program, please provide a link. I am sure there are several Paramedics looking for a shortcut for becoming an RN. Otherwise, why would you just make up a statement with those numbers? (That is a guestion.)
When I did the two semester bridge from LPN to RN there were a couple of medics in the class too. That is why I thought it was two semesters. I would be interested to know if there was a shorter rout for medic to RN. Apparently, according to what you have said, there is.
I worry for the future of this profession when I see people arguing so strenuously for less education. Honestly it's embarrassing...[/quote']
To be honest in my personal experience, I've only seen older nurses complain. And I do feel bad for some of them. They are threatened with their jobs and now their seniority means zilch.
I talked to one lady who was do upset saying she doesn't have the funds to go back to school. At 60+years old she wasn't about to take out student loans.
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Why would I make that argument when, as I have said, I do not belive that a workforce with a higher degree is the goal of the ANA and AACN (the IOM is different and has zero credabiliety with me).
My argument is that they are NOT interested in a better educated workforce. I say this judging from the actions they take and the positions they stand behind.
If the goal of the ANA & AACN where a beter educated work force then why wouldn't they take the well beaten path to one that other professions have taken? The one that has proven to be effective? The conclusion I have reached is that a better educated work force is not their goal at all.