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And the "I passed NCLEX-RN after ___ attempts, and here's how I did it"

How many threads to we need on this topic, really??? Can't this thread be locked, or at least added to the dozen or so others that are currently on this site that talk about the same thing?

nycnurse92- I like the fact that you used the word "eschew" in your post. It's an underused word, in my opinion...

I worked for years with women who were pre-, peri-, or post-menopausal. Therefore, it was a steady diet of hot flashes and cold flashes. Being a man, I learned to never comment on the room temperature...

What does BSBM stand for? I looked it up, and all I found was bachelors of science in business management, and bible study by mail. Medical doctors and osteopathic doctors both attend four years of medical school, after which they both must obtain licensure, and then both must spend time in residency. There is no difference in the amount of time they spend in school/training. The focus of the two programs is different. So comparison of MDs & DOs versus ASN & BSN nurses is a case of apples and oranges. In order to gain entrance into a PA program, you must have a four year degree. So what do you mean by "multiple entry paths"?

Here is the abstract for an article that looks at staffing ratios and nurse education levels and how they relate to patient outcomes (this was written by Aiken as well): Nurse staffing and education and hospital mortality in nine European countries: a retrospective observational study : The Lancet . By the way, here is the abstract for the article Aiken wrote in 2002, published in JAMA, that addresses staffing ratios and their effect on patient mortality: Hospital nurse staffing and patient mortality... [JAMA. 2002 Oct 23-30] - PubMed - NCBI . I fear for a profession whose members look suspiciously at requiring more education of its members, or who devise reasons why it is not necessary. This is one reason why the medical profession and the nursing profession are miles apart.

We, as a profession, need to stop thinking of this issue as being all about us. This has to do with what is best for our patients, and what is best for the profession as a whole. There is published research that proves that patients cared for by bachelors-prepared nurses have better outcomes than those cared for by nurses with less education. (Abstracts for published research on this topic are available here: An Increase In The Number Of Nurses With Baccalaureate Degrees Is Linked To Lower Rates Of Postsurgery Mortality and here: Baccalaureate Education in Nursing and Patient Outcomes : Journal of Nursing Administration .) This is evidence-based practice. In 1965, Rosemary Donley and Mary Jean Flaherty, both doctorally-prepared RNs, wrote the following: "Registered nurses are under-educated members of the healthcare team when compared with physicians, social workers, physical therapists and dieticians, to name a few. Under-educated members of the health team rarely sit at policy tables or are invited to participate as members of governing bodies. Consequently there is little opportunity for the majority of practicing nurses to engage in clinical or healthcare policy." I also want to add that I have never encountered a scenario where a nurse was told that he or she is "no longer good enough" simply because they do not have a bachelors degree. That is another example of bringing this down to a "how does this affect me" scenario. Again, this discussion is about professionalism, and raising the bar in nursing. To say that getting "letters after your name" adds nothing to your practice is false.

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Can the "I don't like the BSN degree" discussion have its own permanent thread here at AN? That will streamline this process a great deal...

You said that you are a "foreigner". Have you spoken with other nurses who are of your nationality? Perhaps you could get some pointers as far as developing American customs & behaviors within the workplace. That might help. Being intelligent and having good assessment skills sound like assets to me, so fine-tuning your interpersonal skills may be what you need.

Have you tried to make an appointment with an advisor from that school? They may be able to assist you in the specifics of getting into their program. Best of luck to you.

When I took the NCLEX-RN (paper & pencil), it took 4-6 weeks to get results in the mail. Yes, it was a while ago...

Tax dollars??? It's a private institution. There are no "tax dollars" involved.

This sounds like just a silly prank. I believe the word "bullying" is beginning to be overused in the work place. An isolated prank does not rise to the level of bullying, in my opinion. This is the definition of the term, from the Workplace Bullying Institute: Workplace Bullying is repeated, health-harming mistreatment of one or more persons (the targets) by one or more perpetrators. It is abusive conduct that is : Threatening, humiliating, or intimidating, or Work interference — sabotage — which prevents work from getting done, or Verbal abuse Source: Definition of Workplace Bullying | Workplace Bullying Institute