Why can't I do everything a RN does as a LPN? We should be equal.

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Why do RN's make more when we practically do the SAME THING. I don't understand how RN's having the ability to start IV's and give a few medications IV push make them more valuable than an LPN. Those extra courses you take to become RN's, heck even BSN's don't add anything clinically. When I am on the floor, WE DO THE SAME THING, yet I take home 30% less than my RN/BSN colleagues. Does anyone else agree that us as LPNS should be able to make the same salary? I hope the Affordable Healthcare Act (AHR) addresses this issue with EQUAL PAY for EQUAL work. We are a lot cheaper to higher than RN's so hopefully the (AHC) will realize this and create more of a demand for efficient LPN's that are easier to train, and cheaper to higher, thus bringing RN wages on par with our wages. It just doesn't make sense for the hospital to pay a RN $25-30/hr to start, while I make $22/hr and have more than 18 years experience. Any thoughts?

"Just because I make it look easy, it doesnt mean it is".

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"Just because I make it look easy, it doesnt mean it is".

I do the same thing you do, only I am "inferior." I understand now, trust me.

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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/04/15/nurses-masquerading-doctors/

This arrogant Doctor is what you guys sound like at the moment. I don't understand how my case should be any different.

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Isn't that what NP's use when we back them against physicians? That their training as nurses with extensive experience adds up to be on par with their training? That makes the case for LPNs as well. Once again, you have proven my original point.

Here you have incorrectly classified me as one who groups NPs as equivalent with physicians. I don't believe that. I do believe that NPs provide excellent primary care but that does not make them equivalent with physicians. And how does this argument hold up with the vast numbers of NPs currently in training with barely their 2 years clinical experience. I do not believe NPs should earn the same as physicians. Should they be compensated equally for the same services (annual physicals, well-woman checks)? I can go there.

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I guess I won't find support here as a new user I was expecting more backing, I guess I was dead wrong.[/quote']

I don't mean to sound ugly but it's probably the way that you came across in your post. Some people may have taken offense to the way your opinion was presented.

Opinions are like colons -we all have them...

I have been an AN member for quite a while now and some of the members that have responded to your

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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/04/15/nurses-masquerading-doctors/

This arrogant Doctor is what you guys sound like at the moment. I don't understand how my case should be any different.

Unfortunately, you sound like the arrogant doctor; only at two different extremes on the same scale; the ONE thing proving you BOTH wrong is, again, Evidenced Based Practice.

And again, as of this time, you haven't produced any to support your argument. :no:

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And, if you search on this entire allnurses.com, I have found plenty on LPN bashing, not just on this thread.

Yes, and if you search on Allnurses.com you will find plenty of bashing going all around. I dislike being classified with all others who have ever posted on Allnurses. My discourse, along with all others who have responded to you has been measured and respectful.

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Specializes in ER, TRAUMA, MED-SURG.

I don't mean to sound ugly but it's probably the way that you came across in your post. Some people may have taken offense to the way your opinion was presented.

Opinions are like colons -we all have them...

I have been an AN member for quite a while now and some of the members that have responded to your

I have been an AN member for quite a while now and some of the members that have responded in a way that is offensive to u - soldier, LadyFree, Esme just to name a few) offer positive insight, encouragement and opinions to both posts that I and other members have made.

I am sorry that u don't feel we have responded in the manner u were hoping for.

Anne, RNC

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My thoughts are- you dont know what you dont know and if you want that RN pay rate, then go back for your RN degree

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A lot of condescending statements here in regards to LPNs and our training. You guys are starting to sound like physicians when they bash RN's and now you guys are bashing LPNs. You guys should know that nurses should stick together. But, seems like you go on and get another year of education, and now you're some sort of elite. I get it. Thanks.[/quote'] You asked for articles that stated RN care produced better outcomes than LPN care, we provided several articles, you don't want to accept them and want to say that we are being condescending? You can't support the LPN and RN outcomes are equal argument, so you result to making untrue claims that we are bashing LPN's, anyone can see what you are doing. No one has said anything bad about LPN's, just stating that the extra time a RN spends in school creates better outcomes as compared to an LPN- and we backed it up with evidence based articles.

It sounds like you still want to believe that RN's and LPN's are equal and deserve equal pay, when the FACT that many of us has proven is that the care an LPN provides is not at the same level of a RN. Not being condescending, I am stating what the articles I cited have stated.... You are not acknowledging any of the ebp and want to keep playing victim. Show us some articles that show LPN's can be used interchangeably with RN's with having the same or better patient outcomes and we will change our tune. Until then stop acting childish, and like everyone is against you because we do not agree with you and provide evidence as to why.

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Most of my friends/acquaintances are either RNs, LPNs, or CNAs. The RNs told me that it's difficult not to have a CNA or an LPN because they can't do their work that can jeopardize their job. Yes, they did tell me that they do the work of a CNA or an LPN when nobody to call. They don't say, "Holy crap that is not my scope and let that person wait until the CNA or LPN comes."

How did I find out about this issue? I asked them why I will be trained to change pads, etc. when I will be in an RN program.

Sorry, I tried to overlook this one, buuuuttttt I need to clarify. Are you saying that if an RN is changing linen and diapers that they are 'doing the work of a CNA/LPN?

Why would you be trained to change pads even though you are in an RN program?? Because that's YOUR job.

That attitude really annoys me. Forgive me if that's not what you were implying, but it seems like you are.

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Truly you are the one that sounds arrogant. Countless people here, lpns included, have refuted your claims and some even provided ebp sources. Yet you continue to reject their statements, which is all fine here because different opinions are natural, but you play the victim here despite not being one. When you ask for a discussion on a topic, don't make it seem like people are bullying you when they are simply countering your argument with information that has been researched upon.

Also you repeatedly base your statements on comparisons that are farfetched, and then you generalized all who oppose your standpoint by saying that they all believe in this and that and then lump then all akin to arrogant doctors.

So please, if you intend to have a serious discussion about this I suggest you not generalize those who oppose your argument as arrogant doctor-like nurses who believe np should be paid as much as doctors. Start providing some evident based practice articles, and stop going "well this and that happened why is my case different" because it's not helping your case. Provide evidence that lpns are trained at least as extensively as rns and you got a case but you have yet to do so.

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