Been engaged in alot of discussion under the COVID heading. Got me thinking. I find myself not trusting published data. There's so much politicization of everything. The government agencies are simply not independent and they are the source of most information. They want compliance. Period. Why wouldn't they change the data to fit? They certainly could and they have before. They constantly put out demands and conflicting information over and over again. Masks are BS. They don't protect anything. they stop a cough. GREAT! But they push masks like they are vital to life. People are wearing their masks while jogging in the woods. seriously? What the foxtrot!!?
I hear all colors of reports about anecdotal stories of people being hurt by the vaccines. Those stories don't even exist as far as official sources are concerned. Do I risk the vaccine hurting me or COVID hurting me? Neither is a good option. COVID is a crap shoot. but taking the vaccine is a conscious choice. People come out of COVID without a problem. people take the vaccine without a problem. Both sides are valid in my mind. but now they are forcing the vaccine by law. This isn't a clear situation. It's very muddy. vaccinated still get infected but the narrative is the vaccine is totally safe, effective, and mandatory and will save the world. How do we know the vaccine isn't driving mutation? If I can't trust the source, how the hell can I make an informed decision? The drug companies have a massive profit motive to avoid any bad press. did they really disclose all their data?
Every single positive case is counted as a case. Are vaccine injuries treated the same? How many people harmed by the vaccine are taken into account? There's no way to know. Positive case: Always assume regardless of symptoms. Vaccine injury claim: PROVE IT WITH AN AUTOPSY!! IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE VACCINE!! ITS PROBABLY SOMETHING ELSE!! HERE'S A REFERRAL NOW GET OUT OF MY OFFICE!! (Yes I'm being hyperbolic). Its a double standard and there's no way we can get a clear picture with a double standard like that. This whole thing is a mess.
Does anyone else feel like they have found an unbiased source of information that someone who doesn't trust CDC, FDA, government bodies can turn to to make an informed decision? I'm tired of all the fighting and politicization. I just want unbiased information. If you are like me, what did you do to get a clear picture of this mess and come to a conclusion about vax vs avoid? I'm seriously frustrated. I don't want to add to the problem. But I also don't want to get vaccination injury which can be just as bad as anything I can get from (yes liberals, vaccine injury happens. deal with it). Sigh....tired. I hope this makes sense. Does anyone else feel like this? I hope I'm not the only one.
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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:
Look you are the one picking fights here. I don't care to argue your contrived, accusatory arguments. Make better points or there's nothing to talk about. You are desperate to hate people that don't want this new vaccination tech. Fine. Hate us all you want. I don't care.
The government is the one tanking the economy. The unvaccinated don't choose to spend trillions of newly printed dollars on stimulus packages while locking down small businesses. The government does. If you have a problem with the economy you should blame the Biden administration and Democrats. They are in power now.
You should stop making personal commentary and stick to the topics at hand. This thread is about your desire to discover credible and accurate information about covid rather than pseudoscience and social media opinions. We've provided a number of excellent resources. All of those resources advocate for vaccination.
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Just now, toomuchbaloney said:
You should stop making personal commentary and stick to the topics at hand. This thread is about your desire to discover credible and accurate information about covid rather than pseudoscience and social media opinions. We've provided a number of excellent resourceservice. All of those resources advocate for vaccination.
I have seen it myself and not infrequently. People driving alone in their cars with masks on, people out in nature with no one around them with their masks on.
Surely you are not advocating that we photograph these people and post such on a public message board.
Perhaps they are just used to wearing the masks and forget to take them off when they aren't strictly needed. Perhaps they don't want the hassle of taking them on and off. Perhaps they are just uncomfortable and wearing the mask when it isn't necessary makes them feel better. Or perhaps they do believe that passing by someone on a wide walking trail or in a sporificely populated parking lot is a grave risk. Who knows.
Regardless, calling for proof of said behavior is nonsense. The only reason to do so would be to insinuate that the poster is lying about something that is a common observation. We can all do without the gratuitous divisiveness.
Buchanan came across a private facebook group called Vaccine Talk that billed itself as “an evidence based discussion forum” for pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine folks alike. As he followed the discussions, occasionally chiming in with a question of his own, he noticed a pattern.
“On both sides, there’s people telling the truth, at least their truth,” said Buchanan, 32, who last month became infected with the coronavirus. “But on the pro-vaccine side, there was just more logic” — and more links to solid research. “On the anti-vaccine side, there was more conspiracy.”
Now he’s going to get vaccinated.
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As covid-19 cases surge in the United States, jeopardizing the reopening of schools and offices and rekindling debates about mask and vaccination mandates, the battle to win over the vaccine skeptical has taken on fresh urgency. Much of that struggle is happening on social media, where misinformation about the vaccines continues to flourish. facebook, Twitter and Youtube have all established rules against posting false information about covid and vaccines. Yet just this weekend facebook said the most-shared link on its site from January to March this year was a factual article about the CDC investigating the case of a Florida doctor who died two weeks after taking the vaccine. The article was widely shared by anti-vaccine pages.
There's a real problem with misinformation masquerading as legitimate concern.
Masks aren’t helpful? Better than nothing. Counties in the state of Kansas with Mask Mandates. Co-Vid cases go down. Counties that don’t have Mandates. Co-Vid cases go up. Don’t do the jab, your choice. Wear the mask for your fellow Americans who may have co-morbities that put them at risk, or you may pass it on to someone and they unknowingly pass it on, etc. But, I know you personal freedom is being impinged on. Caring about your fellow man, that’s so 1940’s.
Masks aren’t helpful? Better than nothing. Counties in the state of Kansas with Mask Mandates. Co-Vid cases go down. Counties that don’t have Mandates. Co-Vid cases go up. Don’t do the jab, your choice. Wear the mask for your fellow Americans who may have co-morbities that put them at risk, or you may pass it on to someone and they unknowingly pass it on, etc. But, I know you personal freedom is being impinged on. Caring about your fellow man, that’s so 1940’s.
Do you have a link that demonstrates mask mandates so what you claim? I haven't seen that but I have seen the opposite.
Survey Kansas City Star. You’re a dialysis nurse? Do you mask and glove when you access a Hickman? I know I did. Can’t remember if I did accessing fistulas, at least gloved. Do you draw blood cultures? Mask for those. Assist with Central Line Placement? Mask there. Why do they wear masks in Surgery? You say you’ve seen things that say the opposite? Wearing a Mask increases Co-vid chances?Why are the highest incidences of Co-Vid in maskless, anti-vac states.
Survey Kansas City Star. You’re a dialysis nurse? Do you mask and glove when you access a Hickman? I know I did. Can’t remember if I did accessing fistulas, at least gloved. Do you draw blood cultures? Mask for those. Assist with Central Line Placement? Mask there. Why do they wear masks in Surgery? You say you’ve seen things that say the opposite? Wearing a Mask increases Co-vid chances?Why are the highest incidences of Co-Vid in maskless, anti-vac states.
I'm not debating anymore. Simply passing and collecting information. But to address your question, there's a difference between the measures of masking in your car alone, masking outside while running, masking at the beach alone, etc (all of these I've either witnessed or seen photos recording it) vs masking in a hospital setting during the high infection risk procedure you referred to. All things have their use. But there are limits to the usefulness of everything. Everything should be appropriate to a given context. To say otherwise is absurd.
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16 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:
I'm not debating anymore. Simply passing and collecting information. But to address your question, there's a difference between the measures of masking in your car alone, masking outside while running, masking at the beach alone, etc (all of these I've either witnessed or seen photos recording it) vs masking in a hospital setting during the high infection risk procedure you referred to. All things have their use. But there are limits to the usefulness of everything. Everything should be appropriate to a given context. To say otherwise is absurd.
Choosing to mask when it is not necessary or required may seem odd to you or others but it's a personal choice that impacts no other person. Refusing to mask where required or refusing to vaccinate during a pandemic can impact others very negatively.
I'm not debating anymore. Simply passing and collecting information. But to address your question, there's a difference between the measures of masking in your car alone, masking outside while running, masking at the beach alone, etc (all of these I've either witnessed or seen photos recording it) vs masking in a hospital setting during the high infection risk procedure you referred to. All things have their use. But there are limits to the usefulness of everything. Everything should be appropriate to a given context. To say otherwise is absurd.
There is no doubt that many, many people don't understand how masks work and often misuse them. That does not negate the fact that when used correctly, masks help.
Personally, now that masks mandates in my area are non-existent, I usually carry a mask but only put it on when it medically makes sense to me. I don't wear it walking around alone in the grocery store, but if there are a few people in line I'll be standing close to when I check out then I'll throw it on because it makes sense in terms of droplet precautions at that point.
The average, non-medical person does not usually understand exactly why and how masks work, so it is easier for agencies like the CDC to just ask everyone to wear one "when indoors" or whatever instead of trying to go into some kind of science class for 350 million American citizens. Of course people are going to freak out and go to extremes like wearing masks alone in cars or walking around by themselves, but that doesn't change the basic fact that in the right contexts, masks CAN and DO act as one small tool to help mitigate the spread of droplet-borne diseases.
Don't "throw the baby out with the bathwater" by acting like masks just simply don't work at all just because you're annoyed by people misusing them.
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You should stop making personal commentary and stick to the topics at hand. This thread is about your desire to discover credible and accurate information about covid rather than pseudoscience and social media opinions. We've provided a number of excellent resources. All of those resources advocate for vaccination.