When Does Life Begin? The Scientific Definition of an Abortifacient ...

[cncyana]

The question about what constitutes an abortifacient came to light with the latest Hobby Lobby SCOTUS decision. An abortifacient is a drug or device which terminates a human life after it has already begun. What do you think? Is this true?

[emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

Good day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH9yGVmN0hs destroys the left's arguments about the four (4) contraceptives in question as not being abortion related.

Thank you.

Did you actually watch that segment? Kelly states that "some people consider the prevention of an egg being fertilized to be abortion". That's her argument.

I'll stick with science.

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

Good day:

Yes, I watched the video. And some people used to believe in spontaneous generation until Lewis Pasture's experiments. The point is that when some are stating the four in question are not abortifacts are missing the facts our own government including the FDA labels them as such.

Thank you.

[nurseprnRN, BSN, RN]

That would be "Louis" Pasteur.

Unless it's your opinion that he spelled it wrong.

People believed all sorts of things -- and still do-- until science proved them wrong, or a religious leader told them to change their tune (viz. to wit., the RC church re "quickening").

The Supreme Court are not scientists, and they aren't saying these things are one thing or the other, either, and their written opinion should not be understood or promulgated as science. They just say that HL owners believe some birth control methods to be something they don't like the idea of. And we get back to the beginning... that unscientific belief is not necessarily held by others. Oh, sure, they're entitled to believe it if they want to. But just because 5 old Catholic men agreed with them does not make it science any more than the Pope commanding Galileo to recant made the sun and stars go around the earth.

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

Good day, GrnTea

That is why they relied on information from the government itself and the FDA to determine that the four (4) contraceptives were abortifacts.

Thank you.

[nurseprnRN, BSN, RN]

:: patiently ::

"Preventing implantation" does not equal "producing abortion," because abortion is defined medically as the termination of a pregnancy, which is itself defined as what ensues after the implantation of any product of conception. All the rest is opinion.

I will let you have the last word, because there's no stopping anyone who won't let other people have their own opinions. As the sign up in my office constantly reminds me, "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

No, I am not calling anybody a pig. It's a metaphor, not a simile, OK?

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

Good day, GrnTea:

Tell that to the FDA and the government then; it's their labeling system.

Thank you.

[MissChloe]

I think you're missing the point. Nobody is arguing that what the FDA has said is untrue. Those forms of birth control may prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus. That's a fact. What isn't a fact is your opinion (I assume, anyway) that fertilization is the beginning of "life" and thus those drugs are abortifacient. The scientific definition of pregnancy is from implantation on, thus, scientifically, the drugs discussed in your video are not abortifacient. (And yes, I'm a liberal who isn't afraid of facts [most of us aren't] and watched your video, which didn't seem to contain many facts anyway.)

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[VampyrSlayer, CNA]

Good day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH9yGVmN0hs destroys the left's arguments about the four (4) contraceptives in question as not being abortion related.

Thank you.

BAHAHA nothing Fox News shares is actually fact. Just fear-mongering and prejudice. Yep, I'll stick with unbiased news, thanks.

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

Good day:

6 Resources on Whether or Not Birth Control Pills Cause Abortions | LifeNews.com is an interesting read on the subject matter.

Thank you.

P.S. I'm aware of the sad fact certain parties will declare certain sources invalid out of fear.

[MunoRN, RN]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that the FDA "labels" these four drugs as abortifacients, maybe you could point me to a source.

Are you under the impression that the SCOTUS agreed these four drugs are abortifacients?

[Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN]

The topic of this thread is a sensitive subject and opinions vary greatly. I do not think people are fearful of anything. I beleive they are looking for peer reviewed scientific studies.

However since this is a sensitive subject we need to be mindful of each others opinions and be respectful.

[Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN]

Good day:

6 Resources on Whether or Not Birth Control Pills Cause Abortions | LifeNews.com is an interesting read on the subject matter.

Thank you.

P.S. I'm aware of the sad fact certain parties will declare certain sources invalid out of fear.

I do not declare this source invalid out of fear; I declare it invalid because it is an opinion piece posted on a news site aimed at those who are pro-life. Directly from the about us page:

LifeNews.com is an independent news agency devoted to reporting news that affects the pro-life community. With a team of experienced journalists and bloggers, LifeNews.com reaches more than 750,000 pro-life advocates each week via our web site, email news reports, social networking outreach and weekday radio program.

Find an unbiased source (as in scientific peer reviewed articles, not opinion pieces on a biased "news" site), and maybe that will lead to a discussion. There will never be consensus about when life begins as many people will claim their beliefs to be fact, and that so-called designation has already been changed over time, even that of the Catholic church.