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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Maybe? 

Are you in a right to work state? Noncompliance with ID protocols could simply lead to looking for another job, right?

I have no idea of the different state policies but I wouldn't put it behind my state to force us to wear Covid 19 PPE if declining the vaccine. 

That being said, I work in a SNF and I sincerely doubt the SNFs (for profit around here ) would agree to provide their non vaccinated staff with proper PPE on daily basis , wether we have cases of Covid it not. 

It is what it is I guess. 

I can't look* for another job. I will wear the PPE if they provide it. But right now they only give is 2 SURGICAL MASKS PER WEEK. how many N95s do you think they would give me ? One a month?

6 hours ago, Waiting for Retirement said:

I don't believe a vaccine will be available to a majority of Americans while the current administration is still in power, that'll end in 7 months.  I believe when it eventually does become available to the average healthcare worker, there will be a new president, and a new administration to review the materials, hopefully determining them safe---or if not safe, then the new administration would not release it.  I have no faith in the current administration to keep me and my family safe.

Barring a new administration with experts who are able (allowed) to review all the data and form an independent decision----nope, not touching it.  And I'm very pro-vaccine in general.

 

I hope you are right. x hugs ❤️👃

Hi New Nurse,

So sorry to hear about your suffering with certain shots. For your personal health I would check if you were getting an attenuated vaccine.. which would help. Also, if you are allergic to eggs (for the flu shot), there are ways to get a non-egg based flu shot.

Lastly, at least one of the trails for the COVID-19 is vaccine is using a reverse RNA method (not a typical anti-body vaccine like the yearly Flu shot) -- I would keep up on the type of vaccine they develop (this method is more like an HIV drug then a flu shot).

Someone on this string also seems to be a little paranoid (government will get you type)...the whole world is watching -- this is not a conspiracy, the entire world needs this vaccine -- be logical think of how many people would have to be in concert to make this a conspiracy --- every major government!

Best of luck -- take care of yourself! I do agree that likely it will be "policy" of each hospital (so different from hospital to hospital), and if you decide not to get it -- of course take extra care!

10 hours ago, PrevHealthNurse said:

Someone on this string also seems to be a little paranoid (government will get you type)...the whole world is watching -- this is not a conspiracy, the entire world needs this vaccine -- be logical think of how many people would have to be in concert to make this a conspiracy --- every major government!

As one of several who have voiced concerns about the potential for unsafe or ineffective vaccines being presented as exactly the opposite, I can assure you I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am not paranoid, and I am not of the belief that "the government is out to get me".  I AM of the belief that with the FDA and CDC changing their normally science-based decision-making to one based on political climate, and changing from Best Practice decisions (ie: PPE use regulations) to "it's what we've got, so it's gotta be good enough, we'll tell them it's good enough" decisions---I'm not placing the same faith in those agencies that I once did.

I don't believe the release in the US of a US-born vaccination will involve a mass conspiracy of "every major government".  I do believe that something pushed through for Americans because of daily complaints from the Oval Office about how "it isn't fast enough, go FASTER!" isn't going to stand up to the same stringent testing that would be found in a less politically-charged atmosphere.

I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am a realist.  I am a vaccination advocate, and have spent countless hours teaching about what we consider to be 'standard' vaccinations now, and flu shot education.  THIS, however, as a "warp speed" release, and potentially NOT reviewed by World Health Organization non-biased experts?  Count me out.

 

Kitiger specializes in Private Duty Pediatrics.

On 6/15/2020 at 8:09 PM, NewRN'16 said:

I have no idea of the different state policies but I wouldn't put it behind my state to force us to wear Covid 19 PPE if declining the vaccine. 

That being said, I work in a SNF and I sincerely doubt the SNFs (for profit around here ) would agree to provide their non vaccinated staff with proper PPE on daily basis , whether we have cases of Covid it not. 

It is what it is I guess. 

I can't look* for another job. I will wear the PPE if they provide it. But right now they only give is 2 SURGICAL MASKS PER WEEK. how many N95s do you think they would give me ? One a month?

Is there a shortage of masks where you live? Or is your SNF not willing to buy masks?

Sam's Club is selling 50-count boxes of "procedure" (ear loop) masks for $25.

Of course, they do not have N 95s.

4 hours ago, Kitiger said:

Is there a shortage of masks where you live? Or is your SNF not willing to buy masks?

Sam's Club is selling 50-count boxes of "procedure" (ear loop) masks for $25.

Of course, they do not have N 95s.

I read in a few places that N95s were not being sold to the public and redirected to medical facilities only.

23 hours ago, PrevHealthNurse said:

Someone on this string also seems to be a little paranoid (government will get you type)...the whole world is watching -- this is not a conspiracy, the entire world needs this vaccine -- be logical think of how many people would have to be in concert to make this a conspiracy --- every major government!

 

Or maybe all the governmental health agencies, and especially the current regime, have already proven their incompetence and/or lack of following safety protocol. But hey, if the regime who thought using garbage bags and substandard medical supplies during a deadly pandemic is the one you trust giving you a vaccine that went through almost no testing is valid, by all means go get'r done!

subee specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

I wonder if we will have "vaccine disparity" in the future...that is, there is more than one vaccine and one is "safer" than another.  People who want to get back to work but can't afford the "safer" (German manufactured maybe) will have to take the cheaper, fast-tracked one.  I am not comfortable with this administration's pressure on the CDC to conform to a policies perceived as more re-election friendly and would me willing to forgo the first vaccine unless we have a new government more attuned to science.

herring_RN specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

On 6/8/2020 at 7:17 PM, NurseSpeedy said:

I’m not that old but old enough to remember trials of bringing back the small pox vaccine when we thought it would possibly be used as bioterrorism after 9/11/01. Media showed a few young healthy people who volunteered for it and said they had never been so sick in their lives.  Later the idea faded and the obsession with bringing back the vaccine went away-yet small pox did not come back with a vengeance and COVID19 doesn’t seem to be going away any time soon.  Hopefully vaccination will be on a voluntary basis until we have a solid background on its safety. Just injecting crap into people hoping for the best is not going to help anyone unless its safe AND effective- if not effective then a false sense of security-like the current COVID19 antibodies test I hear so many patients say they’re getting (eye roll). Sure, hope you were asymptomatic but have a positive antibody test that may or may not be right? Put your damn mask on and shut up if you want elective care (no covid related health care). 

I remember too.

Nurses Group Opposes Smallpox Vaccinations-(JAN. 24, 2003)

Citing its opposition to unilateral war against Iraq and other concerns, the California Nurses Association said Thursday it opposes the Bush administration’s smallpox vaccination program, which is scheduled to start today.

The program “inflames public fears, contributing to efforts to generate support for an ill-conceived war,” the association said in a statement...

...   The nurses said that although there is no proven evidence of the likelihood of a smallpox attack, there are known dangers from vaccination that can include skin rashes, brain inflammation and blindness.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-jan-24-me-nurses24-story.html

by KR

KR specializes in ICU, Agency, Travel, Pediatric Home Care, LTAC, Su.

On 6/4/2020 at 1:58 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that mass vaccination will be offered free of charge to Americans?

Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't FORCED (or an attempt wasn't made at forcing it on ALL Americans) . Not saying I am going to be a Guinea pig, but the way things seem to be going...

by KR

KR specializes in ICU, Agency, Travel, Pediatric Home Care, LTAC, Su.

On 6/17/2020 at 1:07 PM, Waiting for Retirement said:

As one of several who have voiced concerns about the potential for unsafe or ineffective vaccines being presented as exactly the opposite, I can assure you I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am not paranoid, and I am not of the belief that "the government is out to get me".  I AM of the belief that with the FDA and CDC changing their normally science-based decision-making to one based on political climate, and changing from Best Practice decisions (ie: PPE use regulations) to "it's what we've got, so it's gotta be good enough, we'll tell them it's good enough" decisions---I'm not placing the same faith in those agencies that I once did.

I don't believe the release in the US of a US-born vaccination will involve a mass conspiracy of "every major government".  I do believe that something pushed through for Americans because of daily complaints from the Oval Office about how "it isn't fast enough, go FASTER!" isn't going to stand up to the same stringent testing that would be found in a less politically-charged atmosphere.

I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am a realist.  I am a vaccination advocate, and have spent countless hours teaching about what we consider to be 'standard' vaccinations now, and flu shot education.  THIS, however, as a "warp speed" release, and potentially NOT reviewed by World Health Organization non-biased experts?  Count me out.

 

W.H.O. being non-bissed? 15% of their money comes from Bill Gates Foundation. There is a reason, IMO, a good one, why the current administration decided to break away from the W.H.O.

subee specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.

And what is so awful about taking money from the Gates Foundation?  Should the WHO refuse it?  Trump's MO is to break away from everything that requires dues because they don't benefit him.  If I had to choose between the WHO or Trump, I'd pick the WHO.  They're not perfect but much less imperfect.

CCU BSN RN specializes in CICU, Telemetry.

I believe VERY strongly that we'll just be injected walking into work one day. That's probably how we'll find out there is a vaccine, is a surprise needle. And I also think that's the proper choice (mandatory vaccines for health care workers and honestly, for all of the American public). Even if the vaccine is terrible, unless you have a life-threatening allergy to components of the vaccine, it should be mandatory. This disease has been such a strain on our healthcare system and myself and my colleagues personally, as well as on the global economy. I'd like to see a vaccine aerosolized and pumped through the ventilation system at Wal Mart, personally. 

Any vaccine reactions, no matter how poorly made the vaccine is, will pale in comparison to the death and destruction we're seeing from COVID-19. 

Also by the time a vaccine is available in mass numbers in the US, it's entirely possible that Trump will no longer be POTUS, just as food for thought. 

It should be a bipartisan effort to provide for the greater good and prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths. 

42pines specializes in Occupational Health; Adult ICU.

It's simply too early to tell.  Further, you might have a choice in which vaccine that you could use.  Hepatitis B, which all of you have been offered within 10 days of being hired at a place where you come into contact with potentially infectious materials has two different vaccines.

The older 3 shot series is one that I have had and which my research indicated that getting the series with a tiny chance of adverse effects beat the possibility of contracting Hepatitis B.

Lately though, there is a new 2-shot series.  I did some research on it, not enough to advise anyone, but frankly I didn't like it.  There appeared to be a possibility that the vaccine could, in some cases, cause problems.

Short take is: I'd opt for the old 3-shot series, but pass on the new 2-shot series.

There are so many vaccines in the works, if one works, it seems likely that there may be others that will work too.  Do your research.

Hospitals may well demand vaccination as many do with the influenza vaccine.  You could find one of those Covid parties, become infected and then test for antibodies... (not serious!) (And we don't know how long antibodies after infection will remain, anyway).

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