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Another I regret my decision to go into nursing thread. It's grown on me and I am very satisfied by what I do. However, it does not provide enough income for me to take care of my family. Not to even mention the horrible benefits that most places offer now.

I was having a discussion with a co-worker the other day and she was complaining that her husband had to install fire suppression sprinklers all weekend. However, she loved that he was making time and half for the job and shouldn't complain too much about it. Since she opened the door wide open, me, "so, if you don't mind me asking, what's time and half?" Her response, "well, he only clears $84 an hour after they take out for his retirement and benefits." As I stare blankly at her in disbelief, her response, "but he works really hard and it's an important job." Additional details, no formal education beyond high school for the job, but he did go through an apprentice program for two years. He's in a union and averages about $60 - 75 an hour, depending on the job.

The belief that what we do is somehow less important than installing sprinklers is a major reason why nursing is in its present state. Not only does my co-worker, a nurse, believe that it is justified, but society is saying that this skill is more valuable than caring for our sick people. This sentiment is rampant on AN as well and will be defended with snarky comments like, "don't let the door hit you on the way out."

It's too bad and obviously not going to change in the near future. With nursing being overwhelmingly female, a major contributing factor is that women do not know their worth. New studies indicate that most people are happy with earning between $70k and $80k. More than this doesn't necessarily make you any happier and less doesn't allow you to be your happiest.

Yes, I do make slightly more than the "happy" range with minimal overtime. Yes, I am very confident that I can install sprinklers and my co-worker stated that her husband "doesn't have the book smarts to do anything else." Meaning he could not do our job, but I'm confident that the vast majority of nurses could install sprinklers. She mentioned that she was concerned that he's getting older and it's getting more difficult for him to climb around in the ceiling. I'm relatively young and can not imagine being able to do all that's required as a bedside nurse when I'm in my later 40s or older.

I have many immediate and extended family members who are nurses and live all over the U.S. and are in many different specialties and settings. Most of them have been in nursing for over 10 years and they more or less echo my feelings. They also did their best to dissuade me from pursing nursing as a career. Wish I would have paid more attention to them and took their advice.

I think you're making a blanket statement about college education and/or people's medical care being a bigger accomplishment and more valuable than a non college degree skill. Why take on the guys in the trades, surely there are much bigger earners to be resentful about. At least the sprinkler installer is getting his butt OOB and working hard for a living. He could be a talking head, entertainer or athlete earning obscene amounts of money instead of $84/hr.

I know you said that you have all kinds of construction and it's easy for you but I just don't buy it, I have been married into construction, it takes a certain type of intelligence, knowledge, skill, experience and hard work to be competent and successful. It's earned money.

Now why you cannot support your family boggles me. Did you put in some years and then have kids, or have kids before graduating? That can make a difference. You can make 100K and find a newer 3 BD in a safe neighborhood for $1,200-1,500/month in my area, who couldn't raise a family on that? Marry another nurse, make 200K with full benefits and get along just fine.

None of which has anything to do with nursing work conditions, that's a separate issue than wages, there is no commensurate compensation for unsafe working conditions.

Specializes in Registered Nurse.

I wanted to reply about getting older and nursing. I am "older" but I can still do all I did before. The only thing I can't do now is kneel on the floor to look under a bed for something. That is not due to my age, it is due to a car accident where my knees were smashed into the dash and I have blood vessel injuries to both knee areas or just below the knee. Anyway, I think nursing pays well, but I wish it paid more...especially in areas where it tends to pay less than hospitals but we still do a lot of work.

I love what I do. I get great satisfaction from my job and by taking care of others and that I feel I get paid well for it. I used to be in a career that was union, great benefits, guaranteed pay raises, etc. I was miserable doing the job, hated it. People thought I was crazy for leaving, but I know it was right for me. There is so much more that goes into why to choose a job than how much they pay you.

My husband is in a much different field than me and far out earns me. Is his job more "important", no. Does he have a college education? No. The industry he is involved in is a big money maker and his salary reflects that because of what he knows and has done. Knowledge is not always measured by a piece of paper. I have a bachelors in a different area than nursing, I know they blew a lot of sunshine up my butt about how special you are when you hold a BS in any subject.... it really is a bunch of BS. Trades people hold a lot of knowledge, work very hard, and earn every dime of their paychecks.

I roughly knew how much money I would make as a nurse, I would hope everyone would do that research before choosing a career. Any job should be chosen based not only on that, but also do you think you will enjoy the job. If it's all about how much money you make then no nursing isn't a good career choice. I personally would hate installing fire sprinklers, but I'm really happy there is someone out there that wants to.

Also some jobs that are skilled like his offer the big bucks because there might not be a ton of people or companies around that do his specific job. The companies are willing to pay their people good money because they need the workers and they might not have 200 sprinkler guys handing in their apps like in nursing

Companies can't look through the yellow pages and have 300 companies that install sprinklers to choose from so these sprinkler companies know that people needing to get these installed will pay big bucks to get it done. Supply and demand

Specializes in Oncology.
It's all about what you value. If you value money, then nursing likely isn't the field for you as there's plenty of jobs that make more money.

Before I went to college and got my BSN, I was a general manager for 9 years for a small business. I managed operations incuding 70-90 people. I made more money than I make now.

I'm happier now because I feel like I'm making more of a personal impact in people's lives which makes my job more enjoyable. I value that over money.

The problem with valuing money is you have plenty of competition in such a materialistic society which leads to a larger margin of failure. :blackeye:

On top of all that, I value not having to crawl in ceilings and work outside on 90 degree humid summer days and -20 degree windy winter days.

Specializes in Critical Care.

Union apprentice programs in such fields as construction, electrician, and maintenance will pay better than many other jobs. It doesn't surprise me that they pay better than nursing. The problem with nursing is that most places are non union and nurses are seen as an expense and since the govt pays the majority of hospital bills via medicaid and medicare there is pressure to keep wages low. I've read some places a unionized janitor makes more than a nurse. Yes we are underpaid for what we do, but we are still in the top 1/3 of pay for all Americans. Low wages and wage stagnation are a real problem for most Americans. I have a family member who is a computer programmer and he makes six figures. I wish we made that! lol He's got half a million banked for retirement and he's much younger than me and I have nowhere near that even counting the cash balance of my pension! To him I'm just poor relation. lol

Don't know what to tell you. You can always job hop to try to get a better wage, go pool or agency or travel nursing or go back to school and get your NP. It is what it is. You have to make the best of it or change fields if you can. lol

I suppose I could make more if I did overtime, but I just don't have the stamina for what is required of us in a 12 hour shift. It is all I can do to work my scheduled shifts! I feel like I'm running on a treadmill or factory assembly line when I'm at work as it is. I'm just paying off my bills and mortgage and saving for retirement! Hoping I can retire at 62! lol

Libby, I'll come work with you. Save me a seat, please!

I don't get why some Nurses are always comparing pay to other industries, if you like that job, please go for it, I came from a male dominated industry that placed my life and limbs in harm's way everyday and yet most of my co workers earn less than than RNs working 50 -60 hours a week . Maybe they should complain . If you want to be a fire sprinkle installer go for it, why go online and whine ? waiting for CNAs to demand $80 an hour just because they have a bachelor's degree

To call what I wrote in my OP whining is a bit of a stretch. The sprinkler installer was used as an illustration and attempt to compare what we do as nurses vs what they do. Again, unfortunately, what we are paid is a direct reflection on how much society values what we do. For me, I believe that good nursing care is priceless and know that I offer more to society than someone installing sprinklers.

It may be difficult for you to believe, but when you pull back the curtain on most male-dominated occupations, they are easier. It's relative and subjective as to what easier is to each person and this is coming from personal experiences. I've done construction, military, personal training, and IT, which are all more or less traditionally male dominated. It may be that I'm naturally "wired" for those occupations and they come to me easier. I can not speak for all males, but I am fairly certain that most can not do all that is expected of nurses. There's a reason that there are still so few of us in the field.

Comparing yourself to the rare person who makes big money is a joy killer. For every skilled union guy making the big money in a skilled trade, there are plenty of day laborers standing along the day laborers' hangout hoping for a day's small wages. You are better off than them.

Nursing pays a middle class wage, especially for some of us who have a 2 year community college degree. I earn good money; not as much as my cousin who plays major league baseball, but enough for all needs and many wants.

Not feeling valued? Sometimes it is that way.

No quick fix for that except to practice the attitude of gratitude.

Specializes in Registered Nurse.

P.S. I couldn't put in a sprinkler system...trust me! LOL :wacky:

Specializes in CCRN.

There will always be someone out there making more than you and there are many people making less than you. Supply and demand are things that cannot be ignored. There are some areas that are very oversaturated with nurses. These hospitals can get away with paying lower wages because someone will take the jobs. I don't know how many sprinkler installers there are out there, but a lot of those skilled jobs have a limited supply of workers. Some of those limits are on purpose. My husband was looking into an electrician program through the local Electrician union, they limit how many people can get into the program. There aren't tons of the programs around either, thus limiting the supply of electricians in the area. That is a huge difference in some of the aspects of nursing pay.

I love nursing. I wouldn't want any other career. Nursing is not for everyone. I am not saying that to be mean or harsh, it just isn't.

Union apprentice programs in such fields as construction, electrician, and maintenance will pay better than many other jobs. It doesn't surprise me that they pay better than nursing. The problem with nursing is that most places are non union and nurses are seen as an expense and since the govt pays the majority of hospital bills via medicaid and medicare there is pressure to keep wages low. I've read some places a unionized janitor makes more than a nurse. Yes we are underpaid for what we do, but we are still in the top 1/3 of pay for all Americans. Low wages and wage stagnation are a real problem for most Americans. I have a family member who is a computer programmer and he makes six figures. I wish we made that! lol He's got half a million banked for retirement and he's much younger than me and I have nowhere near that even counting the cash balance of my pension! To him I'm just poor relation. lol

Don't know what to tell you. You can always job hop to try to get a better wage, go pool or agency or travel nursing or go back to school and get your NP. It is what it is. You have to make the best of it or change fields if you can. lol

I suppose I could make more if I did overtime, but I just don't have the stamina for what is required of us in a 12 hour shift. It is all I can do to work my scheduled shifts! I feel like I'm running on a treadmill or factory assembly line when I'm at work as it is. I'm just paying off my bills and mortgage and saving for retirement! Hoping I can retire at 62! lol

Pick up some extra shifts and some 8 hour PRN work for that retirement savings. You'll be fine.

Job hopping is my middle name and you would not believe how many nursing jobs I've had in my first three years. Not boasting about it, but some of it was due to the poor job market in the local area for new grads, some curiosity, and some just for the money. It's allowed me to experience a lot of different specialties in a lot of different settings though.

I'm not a complainer or whiner and I'm genuinely surprised with all that we are expected to do versus working conditions and compensation. It's a great starting salary for new graduates and after that we are not compensated that well. I'm aware that I may be in the minority feeling like we aren't valued enough and I need to either accept it or move on.

I'm enrolled in a NP program and fear that the predicted glut of RNs will force many people into NP positions and drive down wages and lessen working conditions for NPs as well. I definitively don't have any answers and only giving personal experiences and observations. I believe I'm not the traditional nurse and only trying to share my opinions from a different perspective.

I'm at the crossroads in life where I can not really invest the time and effort into changing careers again. In hindsight nursing wasn't the best decision and I was a bit wide-eyed and naive despite family telling me otherwise. As an individual, obviously, I can not change nursing, and it's actually very beneficial to hear that my perspective and experiences are in the minority.

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