What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Tisutina said:

I am not wrong and I've never identified as a Republican or a Trump supporter and yet I've been called a Trump defender, physcophant and a megaphile(in a totally non insulting way)   Victim of right wing rhetoric and told to start a pod cast. I've only been on here since yesterday!! 

Forgive me but I got the impression from the thread that assumptions are A- okay! 

You as an individual were called those things? Or were those terms used in a comment and you included yourself in the description? Just because I identify remarks as originating in or echoing right wing spin or misinformation or even propaganda sn't the same as me calling anyone a name.  

I didn't tell you to start a podcast.  Do you misunderstand these comments or are you riffing? 

What assumptions have been made?

[Tisutina]

31 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You as an individual were called those things? Or were those terms used in a comment and you included yourself in the description? Just because I identify remarks as originating in or echoing right wing spin or misinformation or even propaganda sn't the same as me calling anyone a name.  

I didn't tell you to start a podcast.  Do you misunderstand these comments or are you riffing? 

What assumptions have been made?

Does it matter if I was called them directly? It it acceptable to do so in some instances? I must have misunderstood. Why don't you clarify what you meant by that? 

Or was it an attempt to associate me with far right pod caster in an attempt to discredit my opinion? I think this is the correct answer. 

34 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You as an individual were called those things? Or were those terms used in a comment and you included yourself in the description? Just because I identify remarks as originating in or echoing right wing spin or misinformation or even propaganda sn't the same as me calling anyone a name.  

I didn't tell you to start a podcast.  Do you misunderstand these comments or are you riffing? 

What assumptions have been made?

Does it matter if I was called them directly? It it acceptable to do so in some instances? I must have misunderstood. Why don't you clarify what you meant by that? 

Or was it an attempt to associate me with far right pod caster in an attempt to discredit my opinion? I think this is the correct answer. 

[Tisutina]

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your first link is broken. 

The second link does not support your contention. From the article:

The article DOES indicate that the defense would try to use this... and they did... it did not go well. There's a thread about this trial.  Several of us watched it. 

Thanks for providing a link and acknowledging that you were wrong about the drugs. 

I wasn't wrong about the drugs. I never said he died of an OD. I thought I clarified that. The toxicology report demonstrates that in fact he had several drugs in his system. Polypharmacy. The article also said that he could have died of an OD at home if this didn't happen. Which was my initial point about both would be alive if they didn't commit a crime with George being the possible exception. 

You claimed he had no drugs in his system. The article also says that they had contributed to his death but it was the asphyxiation that ultimately killed him. 

You know like officer Sidnick. He didn't die of blunt force trauma during the Jan.6 riot but being at the riot contributed to his cause of death. Same thing. Unless of course we are changing the goal post on this as well. 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, Tisutina said:

I wasn't wrong about the drugs. I never said he died of an OD. I thought I clarified that. The toxicology report demonstrates that in fact he had several drugs in his system. Polypharmacy. The article also said that he could have died of an OD at home if this didn't happen. Which was my initial point about both would be alive if they didn't commit a crime with George being the possible exception. 

You claimed he had no drugs in his system. The article also says that they had contributed to his death but it was the asphyxiation that ultimately killed him. 

You know like officer Sidnick. He didn't die of blunt force trauma during the Jan.6 riot but being at the riot contributed to his cause of death. Same thing. Unless of course we are changing the goal post on this as well. 

 

Yeah... you said that he may have died from an OD or polypharmacy or something and neither the autopsy nor the testimony support that.  The citation that you provided does not support that. That Floyd may have died because of drugs is a wrong or incorrect assertion. 

No the autopsy did not say that he could have died of an overdose at home. Read that part of the report again. 

I did not claim that George Floyd had no drugs in his system, that's a fabrication. I'm retired, I watched the entire trial so I know better.  

What goal post are you imagining that I've moved? I didn't make any claims about Floyd and drugs.  I've only responded to your insertion of drugs into this conversation about these two dead people. George Floyd died as a victim and Babbitt died as a criminal. 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, Tisutina said:

Does it matter if I was called them directly? It it acceptable to do so in some instances? I must have misunderstood. Why don't you clarify what you meant by that? 

Or was it an attempt to associate me with far right pod caster in an attempt to discredit my opinion? I think this is the correct answer. 

Well, yeah it matters because you specifically said that you were called those things in the short while you've been engaging in these threads.  I didn't say or indicate in any fashion that it would be acceptable to call members names. I merely responded to your statement that you were called those things.

It was an attempt to understand what you are referencing because I think I've read most of the threads that you've commented on and nothing obvious has jumped out at me.  Maybe you could copy and paste the examples so that we can all understand. 

[Tisutina]

11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah... you said that he may have died from an OD or polypharmacy or something and neither the autopsy nor the testimony support that.  The citation that you provided does not support that. That Floyd may have died because of drugs is a wrong or incorrect assertion. 

No the autopsy did not say that he could have died of an overdose at home. Read that part of the report again. 

I did not claim that George Floyd had no drugs in his system, that's a fabrication. I'm retired, I watched the entire trial so I know better.  

What goal post are you imagining that I've moved? I didn't make any claims about Floyd and drugs.  I've only responded to your insertion of drugs into this conversation about these two dead people. George Floyd died as a victim and Babbitt died as a criminal. 

Okay. I didn't say he died from an OD. I even made a clarification.  If that's what you thought I said then I did not. 

George Floyd may have been a  victim but make no mistake he was a criminal. With a long history of violent crime. Ashley had no criminal history. Both didn't deserve their deaths but both chose to commit a crime that day and both died as a consequence of that. 

One stark difference being that if Ashley was a young black man and the cop was a white man there would have been a whole different outrage then what was. You can deny that all you want but nobody with a brain or eyes could honestly not know that. 

None the less, they died while committing a crime. The police officer who killed George is on prison. Where he should be. 

Neither are martyrs.  My original point. 

[Hoosier_RN, MSN]

I'm on the right, and don't care for Trump. Never have, never will. He's a whiney butt, and when he talks, the sound of his voice, along with his grammer, makes me cringe.  That said, we ALL need to stop painting everyone with the broad brush! In truth, most of us (healthcare and non-healthcare) can see ideas from both sides that we agree with, and others that we don't. Simply saying "people on the right/left feel x about y" keeps us divided, and I think that's truthfully what the higher ups want (all political affiliations) as it keeps their pockets filled. Remember,  united we stand, divided we fall...

12 hours ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

Okay, it is ridiculous. But so are the inabilities of the 'right' to see what harmful things their MAGA-man says and does.  

 

[toomuchbaloney]

8 hours ago, Tisutina said:

Okay. I didn't say he died from an OD. I even made a clarification.  If that's what you thought I said then I did not. 

George Floyd may have been a  victim but make no mistake he was a criminal. With a long history of violent crime. Ashley had no criminal history. Both didn't deserve their deaths but both chose to commit a crime that day and both died as a consequence of that. 

One stark difference being that if Ashley was a young black man and the cop was a white man there would have been a whole different outrage then what was. You can deny that all you want but nobody with a brain or eyes could honestly not know that. 

None the less, they died while committing a crime. The police officer who killed George is on prison. Where he should be. 

Neither are martyrs.  My original point. 

 I gave you evidence that Trump himself elevated Babbitt to martyr status and you offered nothing but your opinion that democrats did the same with Floyd while you also suggested that Floyd MAY have died from the drugs that he ingested if he hadn't encountered police. We've now looked at the trial evidence and testimony that shows that no, drugs had no cause in his death... so those goal posts would need to be moved for your point about drugs to have scored. 

Are you kidding about Babbitt and her VIOLENT OUTBURSTS? She's potentially a good example of a radicalized extremist.

You keep circling back to this fabricated scenario where everything is different and insisting that if it was different then people would respond differently to different facts reported by the media.  It appears that you are trying to imply that some assumptions were made because of the ethnicity or race of Babbitt and the officer. You should be specific about your thinking so as to avoid giving readers the wrong impression. What have you read that is inspiring this line of thought?

Your original point is still not credibly made.  Show me where democrats treated Floyd the way Trump treated Babbitt after death. Trump elevated Babbitt to martyr status in right wing politics and that sentiment was repeated and mimicked. Which Democrat(s) did a comparable thing with George Floyd?

Neither are martyrs but Trump tried to make Babbitt into a martyr and Floyd was a visual symbol for the nation of police brutality...a brutal, slow suffocation of an unarmed black man in broad daylight in the middle of a street... by police who expected immunity from prosecution.  The organic grief of a nation horrified by a public murder of a black man is quite a different phenomenon from a politician making a martyr out of a zealot that died fighting for his lie.

[toomuchbaloney]

5 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I'm on the right, and don't care for Trump. Never have, never will. He's a whiney butt, and when he talks, the sound of his voice, along with his grammer, makes me cringe.  That said, we ALL need to stop painting everyone with the broad brush! In truth, most of us (healthcare and non-healthcare) can see ideas from both sides that we agree with, and others that we don't. Simply saying "people on the right/left feel x about y" keeps us divided, and I think that's truthfully what the higher ups want (all political affiliations) as it keeps their pockets filled. Remember,  united we stand, divided we fall...

 

You aren't alone.  I appreciate that you don't include yourself emotionally with narrow groupings made for discussion.  It's been discussed many times that not all conservatives are Republicans and certainly not all conservatives are Trump supporters. Trump sympathizers, apologists and supporters are a dangerously motivated segment of conservative America. They are the extremist element that the current GOP is embracing in the era of Trump. The quality of candidates reflects the shift toward right wing crazy.  Mitch McConnell even acknowledged this verbally the other day. 

The country is expecting voters like yourself to recognize the drift of the Trump Republicans running the GOP and avoid voting for that party until they aren't elevating election deniers and liars hell bent on overturning vote results that they don't like.

We (the USA) is divided and the division is kept wide with lies... that division is intended to weaken the country. The lies have weakened our country to the point that if it becomes a conservative authoritarian dictatorship in the next election cycle millions of Americans would cheer and think it was a great day.  

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/america-fascism-legal-phase

[Beerman, BSN]

15 hours ago, subee said:

Can you show me what you consider far-left on this thread? Has anyone ever supported violence of any kind?  Is supporting abortion up to 15 weeks radical to you?  

You, me, and Tweety in another discussion were the only ones who favored in kind of restrictions on abortion.  Which falls in line with most Americans.  No restrictions is a far-left view.

Capitalism is often denounced here.  Often in favor of having more centralized government control of industry and laws.

Heron just recently said she would be in favor of a total ban on private vehicles.  That seems kinda radical.   She also said she is a "card-carrying radical".

There is just a few examples.

[toomuchbaloney]

19 minutes ago, Beerman said:

You, me, and Tweety in another discussion were the only ones who favored in kind of restrictions on abortion.  Which falls in line with most Americans.  No restrictions is a far-left view.

Capitalism is often denounced here.  Often in favor of having more centralized government control of industry and laws.

Heron just recently said she would be in favor of a total ban on private vehicles.  That seems kinda radical.   She also said she is a "card-carrying radical".

There is just a few examples.

We all were content with the restrictions associated with Roe. None of the AN members advocated for abortion at will... abortion is a medical procedure/treatment which has stipulations and necessary guidelines for safest practice... hence the desire to;

1. Make unwanted pregnancy prevention a priority with expanded affordable access to birth control options,
2. Complete termination of unwanted pregnancy at earliest date with safest option.

Capitalism is discussed here... that includes discussion of the negative aspects of capitalism as related to Healthcare, for example. That seems extreme?

Yep occasionally individuals make provocative statements... do you assign those individual statements to all of us? 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Except you simply made a claim without backing it up and then offered that weak claim as a balance for Trump pushing the notion that Babbitt was a victim.  I gave you evidence of right wing elevation of Babbit and you responded with more of your unsupported opinion. I don't want to discuss your opinion.... you take that too personally... I'd rather talk about the reporting that influences your opinion and choice to equate the two deaths. 

Now you are making claims about Floyd's toxicology report which is in conflict with what was introduced as lab evidence in the trial.  How inconvenient.  Why did you imply that he might have died that day from drugs? What analysis or reporting causes you to think that way?

I can honestly say that had Babbitt been a black male the reporting would have been different. Different facts lead to different reporting. That seems self evident. But she wasn't black or male... she was a radicalized white Trump supporter.

At the moment Ashley Babbit was shot, she was just one of DANGEROUSLY radicalized white Trump supporters.  It's ridiculous to compare her  to someone who took an illegal substance.