What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

[guest1163268]

Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Tisutina]

5 hours ago, subee said:

At the moment Ashley Babbit was shot, she was just one of DANGEROUSLY radicalized white Trump supporters.  It's ridiculous to compare her  to someone who took an illegal substance.

What the hell does her skin color have to do with her criminality? 

(Asife from the face if the skin colors were reversed it would have been a whole different news narrative). 

Should we refer to criminals by pointing put their skin color? 

That person was a dangerous ( insert skin color here) criminal. 

Or like this, " George Floyd was a prior violent black offender that was murdered by a police officer". Sound a little racist don't you think? 

[toomuchbaloney]

27 minutes ago, Tisutina said:

What the hell does her skin color have to do with her criminality? 

(Asife from the face if the skin colors were reversed it would have been a whole different news narrative). 

Should we refer to criminals by pointing put their skin color? 

That person was a dangerous ( insert skin color here) criminal. 

Or like this, " George Floyd was a prior violent black offender that was murdered by a police officer". Sound a little racist don't you think? 

She was different from your comparison to Floyd on just about every measure.  Some of those differences make you uncomfortable.  Maybe it's not appropriate to compare the two on any level. You should stop trying to make that point.  The horse pulling that cart is dead. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

1 hour ago, Tisutina said:

What the hell does her skin color have to do with her criminality? 

(Asife from the face if the skin colors were reversed it would have been a whole different news narrative). 

Should we refer to criminals by pointing put their skin color? 

That person was a dangerous ( insert skin color here) criminal. 

Or like this, " George Floyd was a prior violent black offender that was murdered by a police officer". Sound a little racist don't you think? 

I never said Ashley Babbit was white.  White Trump supporters is relevant because of his affiliation with white nationalist groups.  Did you notice a non white presence among.the Trump supporters on 1/06 except for the law enforcement officers?

[Tisutina]

39 minutes ago, subee said:

I never said Ashley Babbit was white.  White Trump supporters is relevant because of his affiliation with white nationalist groups.  Did you notice a non white presence among.the Trump supporters on 1/06 except for the law enforcement officers?

You said she was one of the "DANGEROUS  radical white Teump supporters". Or something to that effect. 

So you are saying that there is a problem in the white community because what you saw was mostly white people at the Jan.6 riot on TV? 

Is there a problem in the non white community because you saw mostly non white people participating in riots in 2020? How about gun violence amoung some minority groups? 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

She was different from your comparison to Floyd on just about every measure.  Some of those differences make you uncomfortable.  Maybe it's not appropriate to compare the two on any level. You should stop trying to make that point.  The horse pulling that cart is dead. 

I'm not uncomfortable at all, are you? 

[No Stars In My Eyes]

tmb~ GREAT resources!

I'm not in need of any of those things in the listings, and although I didn't read it all, it looked like it covered a lot of ground.

If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll go back and take a closer look.

[toomuchbaloney]

8 minutes ago, No Stars In My Eyes said:

tmb~ GREAT resources!

I'm not in need of any of those things in the listings, and although I didn't read it all, it looked like it covered a lot of ground.

If I'm wrong, let me know and I'll go back and take a closer look.

It looked like a comprehensive list.  Navigating that list of resources, as an immature pregnant teen with no parents will be a real challenge. 

[toomuchbaloney]

47 minutes ago, Tisutina said:

You said she was one of the "DANGEROUS  radical white Teump supporters". Or something to that effect. 

So you are saying that there is a problem in the white community because what you saw was mostly white people at the Jan.6 riot on TV? 

Is there a problem in the non white community because you saw mostly non white people participating in riots in 2020? How about gun violence amoung some minority groups? 

I'm not uncomfortable at all, are you? 

I'll answer.  There's a problem with violence in the white community. I say that because that's what the data shows and that what FBI Director Wray said "Jan. 6 was not an isolated event. The problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it’s not going away anytime soon,” Wray told lawmakers. “At the FBI, we’ve been sounding the alarm on it for a number of years now.” 

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-riot-9a5539af34b15338bb5c4923907eeb67

I watched this hearing. He's not alone in his assessment. 

https://www.cfr.org/event/homeland-security-emerging-threats-domestic-terrorism-and-white-supremacy

Would you like to learn something about these groups of people that you claim to know nothing about or do you want to continue with your combative and dismissive banter? 

That agitated but fact free type of interaction suggests that you are uncomfortable.  It's like someone who starts talking fast when they're nervous. 

Do you play poker?

[toomuchbaloney]

This is unusual.  Maybe a domestic dispute?

Woman Opens Fire in Midtown Atlanta, Killing 2 and Injuring 1 https://nyti.ms/3AGKJMY

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Just before 4 p.m., state troopers blocked a stretch of highway just south of Atlanta’s downtown core, bringing one of the city’s busiest corridors to a stop at the start of rush hour.

Oh good lort...not that highway corridor!

Traffic is probably still backed up.  LOL

[Tisutina]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I'll answer.  There's a problem with violence in the white community. I say that because that's what the data shows and that what FBI Director Wray said "Jan. 6 was not an isolated event. The problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it’s not going away anytime soon,” Wray told lawmakers. “At the FBI, we’ve been sounding the alarm on it for a number of years now.” 

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-riot-9a5539af34b15338bb5c4923907eeb67

I watched this hearing. He's not alone in his assessment. 

https://www.cfr.org/event/homeland-security-emerging-threats-domestic-terrorism-and-white-supremacy

Would you like to learn something about these groups of people that you claim to know nothing about or do you want to continue with your combative and dismissive banter? 

That agitated but fact free type of interaction suggests that you are uncomfortable.  It's like someone who starts talking fast when they're nervous. 

Do you play poker?

Hogwash. Oh I didn't say they didn't exist but for such a threat, seems to be no actual examples. Jan.6 the best they can come up with? Didn't the DOJ and FBI put parents as domestic terrorist and have to go back on that?  Many white people did something at the sametime? Do you know the beliefs and ideologies of all the people there that day? Does the FBI? Perhaps they should do a totally non political strategic raid on all the white people? Right in time for the primaries and upcoming 2024 election? 

I do not partake in associating skin color to criminal or terroristic activity. I would then need to say that there is a problem in the black community of gun violence, because of their skin color. Or a problem within Islam. 

I will not. People do bad things, the color of their skin does not. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Tisutina said:

Hogwash. Oh I didn't say they didn't exist but for such a threat, seems to be no actual examples. Jan.6 the best they can come up with? Didn't the DOJ and FBI put parents as domestic terrorist and have to go back on that?  Many white people did something at the sametime? Do you know the beliefs and ideologies of all the people there that day? Does the FBI? Perhaps they should do a totally non political strategic raid on all the white people? Right in time for the primaries and upcoming 2024 election? 

I do not partake in associating skin color to criminal or terroristic activity. I would then need to say that there is a problem in the black community of gun violence, because of their skin color. Or a problem within Islam. 

I will not. People do bad things, the color of their skin does not. 

Do you know what a strawman argument is?  No one claimed you said they didn't exist just like no one called you names. 

From the second citation;

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In the way of background, white supremacists and other far right extremists have killed more people since September 11, 2001, than any other category of domestic extremism.

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And then really asking our intelligence analysts at INA, intelligence and analysis, the element of DHS as part of the intelligence community to focus some of their work on providing good threat assessments to state and local fusion centers to really highlight domestic violent extremist threats and white supremacist extremist threats. As you noted, that has culminated in the homeland threat assessment in October, which was a product we called for and asked the department to issue every year to help inform our state and local partners. They very explicitly identified it as the most persistent and lethal threat facing the homeland today. So this happened very quickly. Even in September of 2019, we still started with the international terrorist threat and our assessment, and then highlighted the emerging threat of domestic violent extremists.

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But by October of 2020, the violent the domestic violent extremist threat, and specifically, racially, and ethnically motivated vinyl extremists were highlighted as the number one most persistent and lethal threat facing the homeland. It has been an evolution, but it's really accelerated in the last two or three years in terms of the number, the lethality of the attacks, and unfortunately, both the size of groups operating in the U.S., but also their ability to help inspire lone actors. So it's serious set of challenges that the homeland security enterprise has to be part of the solution for.

Here's another discussion of the DHS assessment: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Your questions are nonsensical and irrelevant, followed by nonsense about primaries and 2024 elections.

Is there some reason that you cannot engage in an actual adult dialog about white supremacy and the violent threat it has always represented in this country?

[Tisutina]

16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you know what a strawman argument is?  No one claimed you said they didn't exist just like no one called you names. 

From the second citation;

Here's another discussion of the DHS assessment: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236

Your questions are nonsensical and irrelevant, followed by nonsense about primaries and 2024 elections.

Is there some reason that you cannot engage in an actual adult dialog about white supremacy and the violent threat it has always represented in this country?

It said has killed more people SINCE Sept 11, not killed more people THAN Sept 11. Flip of the words. That would mean white supremist terrorist have killed 3000 people. So 150 per year for 20 years.  I think that would have been blasted all over MSM. It is interesting how they talk allot about it but not much about actual instances of it. 

The problem being is that anyone can be labeled as a white supremacist because of some racist social media post and personal thoughts. Or sometimes outright lies. Like Nicolas Sanndman and Kyle Rittenhouse. 

Nah. I would need to see actual examples and proof that these people where actual domestic terrorist. Names, history prior charges and the results of their criminal charges. 

 

 

[toomuchbaloney]

48 minutes ago, Tisutina said:

It said has killed more people SINCE Sept 11, not killed more people THAN Sept 11. Flip of the words. That would mean white supremist terrorist have killed 3000 people. So 150 per year for 20 years.  I think that would have been blasted all over MSM. It is interesting how they talk allot about it but not much about actual instances of it. 

The problem being is that anyone can be labeled as a white supremacist because of some racist social media post and personal thoughts. Or sometimes outright lies. Like Nicolas Sanndman and Kyle Rittenhouse. 

Nah. I would need to see actual examples and proof that these people where actual domestic terrorist. Names, history prior charges and the results of their criminal charges. 

 

 

So you disagree with the FBI and DHS assessments about the threat posed by white supremacists and similar ideology. 

Shrugs

Your opinion is based upon what... your feelings? I mean, you've offered zero facts to this discussion, have ignored the citations, ridiculed the expert analysis... all after explaining that you weren't even certain what white nationalists were as a group.  

It might be impossible for you to be more disingenuous at this point... especially after all of that self righteous indignation you voiced over members dismissing or disparaging citations.  Clearly you bring little more to these threads than fabrications, foolishness, childish retorts, deflection and projection. You have no credibility. 

How's that class assignment coming along?