What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

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Republicans in Congress and governors' mansions are calling on Attorney General Merrick Garland to enforce a 1950 federal law that makes it illegal to hold protests outside the homes of judges in order to influence their decisions.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/politics/supreme-court-justices-abortion-protests-garland/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2IBv-_266Z63RjP8I8O4pcl7JKjyx14AksnendHn-K7d0ZBO11_c8ZVIQ

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 13, 2022

7 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

This is disturbing.

Where in any other another topic would it be acceptable to ask children who they are sexually attracted too, talk about their private parts at school?

I read the article cited by @Beerman, and I cannot see where the facilitator encouraged children to talk about their private parts. The Genderbread Person does not have any labeled or illustrated sexual characteristics. I think you are naive if you think that 12 year olds do not have sexual thoughts on their own at that age. Many girls have started their menses by then and both sexes are taking on secondary sexual characteristics . If I remember correctly, that is about the age that school health classes start talking about the changes that adolescents undergo as their mature.

It seems like to me that many people focus on the private sex acts of LBGTQ folks and forget about feelings of identity and acceptance.

Beerman, BSN · May 13, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

I think it's wrong to pick out a student and lie to them and invite them to the meeting. Doubtful they just picked out a random student to indoctrinate, but the article doesn't explain why this student was targeted. However, to not be honest about what type of lesson they were going to is wrong.

That being said I don't think the lesson itself is "indoctrination". Things are a bit different than what I was used to when I was a kid and I don't think it indoctrination to educate, inform and accommodate to foster understanding and safety. Obviously other people feel different.

https://www.CPR.org/2022/05/02/trans-nonbinary-kids-school-policies/

"Speaker Kimberly told kids that if they were not fully comfortable in their body that they may trans and that members of their family were not safe to talk to"

That goes beyond educating and informing, imo. As does ignoring the request of parents of elementary school to use their child's given names and pronouns.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

5 minutes ago, Beerman said:

"Speaker Kimberly told kids that if they were not fully comfortable in their body that they may trans and that members of their family were not safe to talk to"

That goes beyond educating and informing, imo. As does ignoring the request of parents of elementary school to use their child's given names and pronouns.

I don't know the context but the harsh reality is while parents do have the right to reject their children, and perhaps dictate their prounouns and gender, parental rejection is a huge factor in depression, suicide and alienation of youth, so no it's not safe to always reveal and perhaps youth need a safe place.

We won't agree.

nursej22, MSN, RN · May 13, 2022

Lots of kids choose to be called by something other than their given name. And it's normal as kids mature to want to separate from their parents. And it's normal to question who you are.

You can't turn someone gay by talking about sexuality. It just doesn't work that way.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

Lots of kids choose to be called by something other than their given name.

I didn't like "Donald" and when I was in 2nd grade I told my teacher to call me "Don". She never checked with my parents and the name stuck throughout my life since then, even my parents call me Don.

Obviously this is different that a biological female student wanting to be referred to as "he" but the student should have some say so that should be respected by the school.

For many of us there is a period of "questioning" and adults in schools should be able to discuss this in private with their students for the mental well being of the student.

Like I said this is different that randomly picking a student and saying they are going to an art class and it being something totally different.

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 13, 2022

15 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Yikes! I had a c section at 35 weeks because I had placenta abruption and was hemorrhaging. Did I have an abortion?

I then had a second c section ,2nd pregnancy scheduled 2 weeks before my due date by choice. Did I have another abortion?

I then had to have 2 more c sections before 40 weeks because it was not safe to deliver lady partslly.

So I had 4 abortions?

The scenarios you describe are early delivery and are already in place to protect the woman's life.

I would like to see an example of any republican/law or otherwise saying a woman who's life is in danger cannot have an intervention ealier than their due date. Have one?

The only issue is ending the pregnancy and ending the life of the fetus. No removing the baby when viable to save the mother.

That makes so sense. You presented to the hospitL to have a live baby, not an abortion.????? What did I miss?

subee, MSN, CRNA · May 13, 2022

11 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:

This is disturbing.

Where in any other another topic would it be acceptable to ask children who they are sexually attracted too, talk about their private parts at school? By a bias party(no pun intended). There seems to be a veil of protection under the guise of LBGTQ inclucivity.

I would agree it takes the characteristics of indoctrination. In that if anyone were to object or criticize such "extra ciricular" classes,they are transphobic and evil and need to be destroyed.

The school itself is in a bad position. Do they hold these teachers accountable ,and end their employment and then get major backlash for it?

These classes were presently falsely to the student and held in secret. How is this even tolorated?

It's like a modern version to lure unsuspecting children. Kind of a new version of "hey little girl/boy, want some candy?"

Or, "can you help me find my lost puppy?". Only to isolate the unsuspecting child.

Until thus story us corroborated, I wouldn't put trust in it. The Daily Mail is the equivalent of our NY Post here in the USA. Crazy people can get an audience at any time, but thus is just a case of one person sez so.

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

5 hours ago, nursej22 said:

I read the article cited by @Beerman, and I cannot see where the facilitator encouraged children to talk about their private parts. The Genderbread Person does not have any labeled or illustrated sexual characteristics. I think you are naive if you think that 12 year olds do not have sexual thoughts on their own at that age. Many girls have started their menses by then and both sexes are taking on secondary sexual characteristics . If I remember correctly, that is about the age that school health classes start talking about the changes that adolescents undergo as their mature.

It seems like to me that many people focus on the private sex acts of LBGTQ folks and forget about feelings of identity and acceptance.

Oh. I never said that they don't have sexual feeling just that there shouldn't be adults asking about them specifically. Educating a child that sexual feelings are normal is responsible. Even masterbation. (I have teenagers,sigh) However, asking what sexual feeling they have specifically is innapropriate. My daughter told me she was bi. Cool. I said okay and councelled her appropriately. She now has a boyfriend of 1.5 years. Cool. I completely accepting of any lifestyle or orientation.

The child told the parents that they asked the kids specifically about who they are sexualy attracted to .Now I do think a 12 year old would not be able to fabricate this claim unless it actually happened.( there's always exceptions). Especially when she was going to a class under false pretenses(if that in fact is what happened) . I believe the child, is niave,but not in the same way you attributed it to me.

Yes! Exactly! No one should focus on anyone's private sexual acts! No matter their sexual identity, gender etc, including these teachers who happen to be LGBTQ. Which shouldn't matter in this situation or any other.

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

To clarify when I said "this bunch", I mean the current Supreme Court.

Also, I wasn't making any comparison between gay marriage and abortion.

I can agree with the idea that politicians don't seem to be as interested in gay marriage, which is wildly popular with the general public, as they are abortion. But as I said in the post above, two of the justices seem to be.

Well their idiocrasy in this matter is very transparent!! I have to admit that I haven't researched this enough. Do they make their opinion on the subject known or actually propose they may try and influence the law? I think justices and any public official can have there own moral beliefs but not act on them in their profession.

As medical professionals we have to care for people that we may not agree with but still effectively do our jobs. However,we most certainly do not publicly tell everyone our beliefs either.

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

47 minutes ago, subee said:

Until thus story us corroborated, I wouldn't put trust in it. The Daily Mail is the equivalent of our NY Post here in the USA. Crazy people can get an audience at any time, but thus is just a case of one person sez so.

Yes,however the emails prove the intent of deception. In their own words. I would like more info as well!!

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

1 hour ago, subee said:

That makes so sense. You presented to the hospitL to have a live baby, not an abortion.????? What did I miss?

That my intent was not to end the life of my baby. That's the difference.

That having a medical intervention to save a mother's life which includes technically "aborting the pregnancy " but maintaining the life of the fetus as well. Big difference.