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27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm going to pass this one by to someone else.  But I see where you're going. You think I should say the child should be presented with the reality that they are white and not black.  

Most likely the child knows the gender they were born with as they've been indoctrinated by their parents and society.    This is how gender dysmorphia starts because they internally feel something different.  I would rather that be acknowledged and helped.  We won't agree.  

Obviously people feel otherwise.  Texas Governor Abbott thinks that's child abuse.  

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1086039378/texas-transgender-investigations-blocked

I also think it should be acknowledged and helped.  I'm just not convinced that we know very well what actually helps.  

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8 hours ago, Beerman said:

I also think it should be acknowledged and helped.  I'm just not convinced that we know very well what actually helps.  

I don't think we do.   It's new territory.  Obviously some mistakes will be made, and it's complicated because others have different ideas.  Some have the idea that biological gender is the end of discussion.  Other are more fluid.  

I think we know what doesn't work very well and have hints at what does.

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The numbers are stark, worrisome and should set off alarm bells: 52% of all transgender and nonbinary young people in the U.S. seriously contemplated killing themselves in 2020. More than half thought it would be better to be dead, rather than trying to live with rejection, isolation, loneliness, bullying and being targeted by politicians and activists pushing anti-trans legislation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4cbce440716e

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When pronouns were respected by all of the people trans and nonbinary youth lived with, they reported they attempted suicide at half the rate of those who did not have their pronouns respected by anyone with whom they lived. That’s a reduction of 50%.

Trans and nonbinary youth who were able to change their name and/or gender marker on legal documents, such as driver’s licenses and birth certificates, reported lower rates of attempting suicide: 11% compared to 25% who were not able to make those changes. 

LGBTQ youth who had access to spaces that affirmed their sexual orientation and gender identity reported lower rates of attempting suicide.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4cbce440716e

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-transgender-teen-suicide-idUSKCN1LS39K

 

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7 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't think we do.   It's new territory.  Obviously some mistakes will be made, and it's complicated because others have different ideas.  Some have the idea that biological gender is the end of discussion.  Other are more fluid.  

I think we know what doesn't work very well and have hints at what does.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4cbce440716e

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dawnstaceyennis/2021/05/19/terrible-time-for-trans-youth-new-survey-spotlights-suicide-spike---and-hope/?sh=4cbce440716e

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-transgender-teen-suicide-idUSKCN1LS39K

 

Now I have to research further and I do not have a source at the moment but I did read something that suggested that there is a high rate of suicide/attempt of transgender people even after transitioning. However I believe it was noted that the subject was still very new in regards to indepth scientific study. 

I take no issue with pronouns but will admit using "they" feels like incorrect grammar(speaking of the word,not the person). I know I would slip if I was looking for my daughter and had to say, "where is they?", especially if I was worried. It would be very difficult not to say,"where is she?". 

And then there the issue of specific pronouns that are a little extreme and change throughput the day. (Very small amount of transgender people). Not everyone is disrespectful of pronouns,they are just different and it takes time to get use to. However expecting someone to automatically know what they are,use them always,  and condemning them for getting it wrong is not appropriate in my opinion. 

I think the majority of people understand that there is times people do not fit exactly into the standard 2, male and female. While it's important to educate some that there can be more than 2, it is equally important to acknowledge that biological sex does exist as well. 

It's like the 2 extreme sides are the loudest. One says there is only 2 genders,biological sex. The other claims that biological sex doesn't exist but there is an infinite amount of genders. They both contradict themselves and do nothing for the people who may be feeling suicidal. 

Then there's the issue of fear of condemnation.  I would think twice about who I told my beliefs too whether I had scientific studies to back it up or not. Example, I think hormone therapy on prepubescence children could be determental. Personally my Dr will not allow me to use contraception with estrogen because I am over 35 and use to smoke ,for the risk of blood clots. Or the fact when we handle hormonal medications when administering them to our patients,they are labeled as "hazardous drug" and my facility requires us to use double gloves when handling such medication. I most certainly wouldn't put that on my social media account! 

Well I went down the rabbit hole and it looks like I indeed am not just looking for now! I did for so long.....sigh.  

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Yes, there is a high rate of depression even after transitioning.  That's a big part of why I don't think we know what we are doing in regards to helping those prople.

Working in peds as I do, I know many of those with gender dysphoria have lots of other things going on.  For some, both psych and medical.  In the case of those with psych history, I sometimes wonder which came first...depression, anxiety, etc contributed to gender dysphoria, or the other way around?  Or, fo they go together?

It's a small simple size, but in my experience I also think for some that identifying as the other sex is attention getting behavior.  Especially when I see exotic preferred names,  names with creative spelling, "they", and preferred pronouns in email signatures.  

From having to remember to a grammatically incorrect pronoun to males competing against women, it seems some of our "inclusion" measures are misguided, questionable effective, and actually infringe on others.

I find it curious that in one of the articles Tweety posted, it claims using preferred pronouns led to a big decrease in suicidal thoughts.  I find that curious, as a person usually isn't around to hear anyone refer to them by pronoun.  Are they really seriously suicidal if such a thing makes it better?  And, if they are suicidal over such a thing, is using a preferred pronoun really that significant a factor in a long-term solution?

I read a H&P at work recently, where the patient was referred to as "they".  It took me a minute to realize what was going, and had to start over..."They report having a cough of ...."  seemed a bit silly, imo.

 

 

 

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This all reminds me of  a Sounthpark episode. Carmtan who said so eloquently " every month at the same time Kyle's mom is a b*tch". Paraphrased but was referring to obviously her menstrual cycle. (Misogynistic I know) 

Well in this episode Kyle's mom, decided they needed to acknowledge "dead conjoined fetal twin lady".  This is a character that has a rather crude dead fetus on her face. Everyone in the town rallied and made a huge deal out of it. Having "dead conjoined fetus day" and protesting and what not. Even wearing fake dead fetus on their faces. All to make this lady feel included and accepted. 

It ended with the lady asking to be left alone and the attention,the flamboyant gestures,over the top theatrics and the attention was more offensive than anything she has experienced.  She also said no one even asked her if she felt excluded. 

Anyway the idea was that sometimes giving more attention to something with dramatic displays of inclusion  makes one feel more isolated as they are being singled out. It is patronizing. Most people just want to live normal lives and be happy. Not everything is a cause. And sometimes well meaning can turn in to self attention virtue signaling and nothing really to do with the person or  concept. Which makes it worse. 

Anyway, Southpark is genius if you can get past some vulgarity and not so politically correct content. 

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Good conversation.  It's come up before and I've said all I need to say.  It doesn't matter if I think it's silly or grammatically correct.  I've slipped up with pronouns before but people appreciate the effort.  

Depression, anxiety and suicide is a complicated issue across the board.  

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Along  with no formula for illegal immigrants, help for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia is becoming an issue with America First folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/14/antiukraine-republicans/

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Along  with no formula for illegal immigrants, help for Ukraine and sanctions against Russia is becoming an issue with America First folks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/14/antiukraine-republicans/

Strange. I saw something on Fox (I know, their content is extremely bias and facts are spun every which way,however still mostly factual ) where an official was sent a pic of crates of formula being sent to the boarder by a boarder official. I'll see if I can find any other supporting reports. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Strange. I saw something on Fox (I know, their content is extremely bias and facts are spun every which way,however still mostly factual ) where an official was sent a pic of crates of formula being sent to the boarder by a boarder official. I'll see if I can find any other supporting reports. 

 

yes.  There is a widely circulated picture of formula at a border detention center.  It seems legit and many politicians are saying Americans should get it before illegals. No surprise Fox would be covering the story.   So much for being pro life.  ?

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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

yes.  There is a widely circulated picture of formula at a border detention center.  It seems legit and many politicians are saying Americans should get it before illegals. No surprise Fox would be covering the story.   So much for being pro life.  ?

Well played! Why can't it be distributed evenly? They also had a take on what's causing the formula shortage. 

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Agree 100%.

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