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Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

I didn't like "Donald" and when I was in 2nd grade I told my teacher to call me "Don". She never checked with my parents and the name stuck throughout my life since then, even my parents call me Don.

Obviously this is different that a biological female student wanting to be referred to as "he" but the student should have some say so that should be respected by the school.

For many of us there is a period of "questioning" and adults in schools should be able to discuss this in private with their students for the mental well being of the student.

Like I said this is different that randomly picking a student and saying they are going to an art class and it being something totally different.

They should be able to discuss these things in school. However it should be within boundaries.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

52 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:

They should be able to discuss these things in school. However it should be within boundaries.

Perhaps, but where the problem lies is that when these students are questioning the majority of the education system is going to affirm that it's okay if they are LBGTQ and this doesn't sit well with some parents. So where is the line drawn, to not discuss it at all, to tell the parents their kids are questioning risking them being rejected and abused, or to talk them through it affirming that they are okay just the way they are and if the student wants to keep it from the parents, then that's okay too. Many parents view this as indoctrination.

Republicans like DeSantis are for "parental rights" because they know what's best for their own children, whereas it seems Democrats for more the child having a say about their life.

When I was 17 my parents sent me to a psychologist to change me from being gay. Thankfully the psychologist was of the mindset that being homosexual was okay and I didn't need to change. My parents were furious and my life was miserable. 55 years later I'm still gay, they've evolved and I've healed.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:

Well their idiocrasy in this matter is very transparent!! I have to admit that I haven't researched this enough. Do they make their opinion on the subject known or actually propose they may try and influence the law? I think justices and any public official can have there own moral beliefs but not act on them in their profession.

As medical professionals we have to care for people that we may not agree with but still effectively do our jobs. However,we most certainly do not publicly tell everyone our beliefs either.

I'm talking about that in October 2020, Thomas and Alito talked about fixing the decision on gay marriage. Kind of came out of no where but with the current make up of the court, it's a cause for concern for some people.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/920416357/justices-thomas-alito-blast-supreme-court-decision-on-gay-marriage-rights

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

29 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Perhaps, but where the problem lies is that when these students are questioning the majority of the education system is going to affirm that it's okay if they are LBGTQ and this doesn't sit well with some parents. So where is the line drawn, to not discuss it at all, to tell the parents their kids are questioning risking them being rejected and abused, or to talk them through it affirming that they are okay just the way they are and if the student wants to keep it from the parents, then that's okay too. Many parents view this as indoctrination.

Republicans like DeSantis are for "parental rights" because they know what's best for their own children, whereas it seems Democrats for more the child having a say about their life.

When I was 17 my parents sent me to a psychologist to change me from being gay. Thankfully the psychologist was of the mindset that being homosexual was okay and I didn't need to change. My parents were furious and my life was miserable. 55 years later I'm still gay, they've evolved and I've healed.

I think that if there is any risk of abuse,this should be reported to CPS.

I do not think that if a teacher becomes aware a student is questioning,the parents need to be immediately told about it. Of course not. However it should not be solicited by the teacher. Nor should teacher put on display what their orientation is. Not because it's bad or shamefully but because it's not their job. Their job is to teach not councell. Their sexuality is of no relevance in teaching just as personal sexuality is of no relevancy of nurses care

As medical professionals we would not provide information on gynecology issues when our field is cardiology. We would refere to the appropriate departments. Or suggest a GI patent has depression and invite them to a wellness clinic for GI health but really it's about depression. Nor would we assume someone was depressed because they are sad sometimes. This type of thing would be a major overstep if not an offense in our profession. Not to mention suggesting to a minor patient to not tell their parents alluding that their parents are in some way not safe.

I think teachers need to take a professional approach as medical professionals do.

An example would be always trying to involve the parents as much as possible. If safety is an issue,it should be reported.

Did your parents come to accept you? All parents do the wrong thing sometimes and issues like this are very emotional for everyone. I believe parents should be given a chance to make their mistakes then make it right. This is my belief but I think acceptance of LGBTQ is much more prevalent than the reactions in history.

It just a disturbing as for example a group of conservatives or whoever forming a class after school that's supposed to be about one thing. Then the same said group then imposes their opinions and personal sexuality on the student that gay is wrong or not natural. Then asking each student what their sexuality is then saying that they shouldn't tell anyone about it. Or if they ever questioned their sexuality they are definitely not gay.

In summary, sex education in school needs to be taught in a factual to the point manner that's inclusive to all sexuality. "This is this,this is that,some do this,some do that", but never "what do you do" or "this is what I do". And most certainly delivered in a transparent manner with no false pretences.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 13, 2022

If a child has a trusted teacher they want to confide in then the teacher should be able to discuss their sexuality with them within reason of course. Teachers don't just teach. It might be a stereotype but how many ball players go to their coaches with family problems and other personal problems because they are a trusted adult. How disheartening would it be to hear "sorry Johnny, I can't help you, but here's a professional counselor I'll refer you to". I'm not talking about intensive pyschotherapy but sometimes students just want to talk and have someone adult to listen to them.

I think the student should decide if they want their parents to know they are questioning sexuality and gender issues unless the student is in danger of harming themselves.

Nurses don't council patients about illnesses that aren't in their field and doctors make medical referrals all the time. But sometimes our patients have worries and just need an ear. We listen.

I can agree your approach to sex education is how it should be taught in the open classroom.

The only sex education I got back in the day was about STD's. No mention whatsoever of anything different that heterosexuality.

Also I pretty much knew my teacher's sexuality when their talked about their wives, husbands and children. This has always been okay. Back then gay teachers had to stay in the closet or lose their jobs, but heterosexuals always were open about their sexuality.

My parents were a product of their generation and time. I was outed by my best friend's parents who thought I was a bad influence on their son. Ironic because their son came out long before me and had a boyfriend when I came out with his encouragement. However, as homosexuality became more mainstream and people like Phill Donahue talked about it openly and supportively on his very popular talk show, my parents did evolve. They didn't disown me or kick me out. We didn't speak for a long time but that was decades ago.

Justlookingfornow · May 13, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

If a child has a trusted teacher they want to confide in then the teacher should be able to discuss their sexuality with them within reason of course. Teachers don't just teach. It might be a stereotype but how many ball players go to their coaches with family problems and other personal problems because they are a trusted adult. How disheartening would it be to hear "sorry Johnny, I can't help you, but here's a professional counselor I'll refer you to". I'm not talking about intensive pyschotherapy but sometimes students just want to talk and have someone adult to listen to them.

I think the student should decide if they want their parents to know they are questioning sexuality and gender issues unless the student is in danger of harming themselves.

Nurses don't council patients about illnesses that aren't in their field and doctors make medical referrals all the time. But sometimes our patients have worries and just need an ear. We listen.

I can agree your approach to sex education is how it should be taught in the open classroom.

The only sex education I got back in the day was about STD's. No mention whatsoever of anything different that heterosexuality.

Also I pretty much knew my teacher's sexuality when their talked about their wives, husbands and children. This has always been okay. Back then gay teachers had to stay in the closet or lose their jobs, but heterosexuals always were open about their sexuality.

My parents were a product of their generation and time. I was outed by my best friend's parents who thought I was a bad influence on their son. Ironic because their son came out long before me and had a boyfriend when I came out with his encouragement. However, as homosexuality became more mainstream and people like Phill Donahue talked about it openly and supportively on his very popular talk show, my parents did evolve. They didn't disown me or kick me out. We didn't speak for a long time but that was decades ago.

Yes. I agree with everything you say. Teachers do do more than teach and are often trusted by their students. It is often a teacher recognizes abuse and gets the child help.

Please let me clarify. I myself as a medical professional would never tell a parent about sexuality or ,sti or pregnancy if a minor confided in me. Or if I diagnosed it.

I may even explore why they do not want their parents to know. I would depending on the circumstance, encourage them to discuss with their parents. If there were a social service or even the social workers that work with the hospital are available, I would see if they could help.

Allot of irrational fear happening. If schools could come up with a guide line for these issues where the appropriate and best educated people can address the situation, I believe this would settle the waters.

Parents can be assured that their child isn't being "influenced" or "brainwashed" . Also can go the other way. What if a child tells a teacher who takes issue with LGBTQ and tried to "convert" them? Or told them harmful things?

A set guidlinevwould resolve this in my opinion. However it seems like politicians are more concerned with appeasing their belief and the children are left out.

What I mean about sharing their own sexuality (teachers) is the constant discussion of their own. Lession plans with LGBTQ theme, over use of political displays in classrooms. Can go the othe way as well. A heterosexual teacher constantly telling the class they are straight and saying there is no such thing as differnt genders other than biological sex,isn't appropriate either.

A LBGTQ teacher can refer to their wife or husband and that's perfectly acceptable. However creating special causes that only focus on it is not. In my opinion.

I hope ypur family learned to accept you. I get the impression they did because you seem to be a genuine,kind balanced person!!

Beerman, BSN · May 14, 2022

10 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't know the context but the harsh reality is while parents do have the right to reject their children, and perhaps dictate their prounouns and gender, parental rejection is a huge factor in depression, suicide and alienation of youth, so no it's not safe to always reveal and perhaps youth need a safe place.

We won't agree.

The context?

I'll summarize:

At least one 12 year old was recruited and invited to what she thought was art club. Instead, it was a lesson being taught by a transgender activist, who suggested that if you have uncomfortable feelings about your own body, you may be transgender. And, then, she was told to not speak to her parents about this meeting.

From what we know, this child was not having thoughts of transgenderism, or seeking advice or needing a ear to listen to her feelings on this issue.

Maybe you don't like the term indoctrination. But, these educators in the clearly have an agenda.

As for the teachers hiding (and bragging about it btw) the preferred pronoun of a student, where exactly would a elementary school kid get the idea to have the preferred pronoun "they "? It seems it would be two likely options. One, would be the parents, but not in this case. Next, would be a teacher.

Parental rejection and it's effects are horrible. But that is a different issue.

Beerman, BSN · May 14, 2022

9 hours ago, Tweety said:

I didn't like "Donald" and when I was in 2nd grade I told my teacher to call me "Don". She never checked with my parents and the name stuck throughout my life since then, even my parents call me Don.

Obviously this is different that a biological female student wanting to be referred to as "he" but the student should have some say so that should be respected by the school.

For many of us there is a period of "questioning" and adults in schools should be able to discuss this in private with their students for the mental well being of the student.

Like I said this is different that randomly picking a student and saying they are going to an art class and it being something totally different.

Obviously, Donald to Don isn't in the same universe as Donald to Bianca.

What if young Don at school told his teacher he felt like he was a black kid stuck in a white kid's body, and he wanted to be called Leroy? Would his feelings be affirmed and his preferred name be used? And without letting mom and dad know?

I think it's more likely those involved would take steps to get him to a place where he is accepting of what he is.

So, how to we know we shouldn't be doing this for those with gender dysphoria? Instead of going first to affirming that one can be a boy or man when born a female, it seems like common sense to instead work with to get her accepting of what she actually is.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 14, 2022

22 minutes ago, Beerman said:

What if young Don at school told his teacher he felt like he was a black kid stuck in a white kid's body, and he wanted to be called Leroy? Would his feelings be affirmed and his preferred name be used? And without letting mom and dad know?

I'm going to pass this one by to someone else. But I see where you're going. You think I should say the child should be presented with the reality that they are white and not black.

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So, how to we know we shouldn't be doing this for those with gender dysphoria? Instead of going first to affirming that one can be a boy or man when born a female, it seems like common sense to instead work with to get her accepting of what she actually is.

Most likely the child knows the gender they were born with as they've been indoctrinated by their parents and society. This is how gender dysmorphia starts because they internally feel something different. I would rather that be acknowledged and helped. We won't agree.

Obviously people feel otherwise. Texas Governor Abbott thinks that's child abuse.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/11/1086039378/texas-transgender-investigations-blocked

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 14, 2022

40 minutes ago, Beerman said:

From what we know, this child was not having thoughts of transgenderism, or seeking advice or needing a ear to listen to her feelings on this issue.

I guess this is what I'm having trouble with. That teachers just decide one day "let's just randomly pick a student, lie to them about this meeting, and then indoctrinate them." Makes no sense to me but I can understand when reading the story at face value it being disturbing.

MunoRN, RN · May 14, 2022

41 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Obviously, Donald to Don isn't in the same universe as Donald to Bianca.

What if young Don at school told his teacher he felt like he was a black kid stuck in a white kid's body, and he wanted to be called Leroy? Would his feelings be affirmed and his preferred name be used? And without letting mom and dad know?

I think it's more likely those involved would take steps to get him to a place where he is accepting of what he is.

So, how to we know we shouldn't be doing this for those with gender dysphoria? Instead of going first to affirming that one can be a boy or man when born a female, it seems like common sense to instead work with to get her accepting of what she actually is.

The problem with with someone who identifies with gender characteristics that don't align with what others assume their gender should be is that they need to be taught to be more accepting of the gender others view them as? Wow.

I completely agree with finding the art teachers behavior unacceptable and she should probably be terminated, she made assumptions about the child's gender identity and tried to enforce t.hat identity on her. You don't seem to have a problem with that just a matter of which gender identity is being forced upon a child.

Justlookingfornow · May 14, 2022

41 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Obviously, Donald to Don isn't in the same universe as Donald to Bianca.

What if young Don at school told his teacher he felt like he was a black kid stuck in a white kid's body, and he wanted to be called Leroy? Would his feelings be affirmed and his preferred name be used? And without letting mom and dad know?

I think it's more likely those involved would take steps to get him to a place where he is accepting of what he is.

So, how to we know we shouldn't be doing this for those with gender dysphoria? Instead of going first to affirming that one can be a boy or man when born a female, it seems like common sense to instead work with to get her accepting of what she actually is.

Why cant we just say some people feel different in their bodies? Some may feel fine with their birth sex,some might not. But no body should ever be ashamed.