What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

toomuchbaloney · May 4, 2022

1 minute ago, MaybeeRN said:

All health professionals do not agree an abortion is health care. You should know better than make that claim. Abortifacients do not require a skilled health care to administer and can be over the counter or prescribed by telemedicine. Seriously, quit while your behind.

Nonsense. Termination of a pregnancy is reproductive health care, the opinions of zealots don’t count in deciding that. It’s noted that you’ve chosen to make a blanket statement about abortions not being reproductive healthcare and not requiring health professionals and then try to apply a narrow definition in defense of your claim. Tell me, is it a health professional who prescribes that drug via telemedicine?

toomuchbaloney · May 4, 2022

2 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:

I notice liberals love law and order when it goes there way. But when something doesn't its time to burn the institution to the ground. You mean law and order that was utilized in Portland and Seattle? Law and order that tried to entrap some impressionable people in Michigan? Or law and order that tired to imprison a young man in Wisconsin for protecting himself? Law and order that gave no bail to a dangerous Black racist lunatic that ran down and killed bunch of white people in a Wisconsin parade? That law and order you are referring to?

I’m talking about 010621, the violent attack on Congress in an attempt to undermine a free and fair election in order to elevate the fellow that was lying about election fraud after losing the election. I’m talking about the law and order that regulates our Democratic processes and safeguards. Are you unclear about what happened on January 6,2021?

MunoRN, RN · May 4, 2022

8 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

Abortion will not be outlawed it will go to the states. It's that simple. It should have always been a states rights issue. Liberals and Conservatives alike have stated Roe v. Wade was bad law. What do I base that affects men and women equally? First off liberals can't even define a woman and secondly men can now have babies too according to liberals. So yeah it affects both equally.

Of the various court cases related to abortion / pro-choice issues, all have revolved around Constitutional protections, those are not up to the individual states to decide.

The legal definition of a "woman" is actually pretty complex, if you can provide a reliably correct answer then you'd be breaking new ground.

7 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

What's not in the Constitution belongs to the states. Liberals have no problem with hindering the 2nd Amendment at the state level.

There are state laws that exist despite being found to violate the 2nd amendment?

Beerman, BSN · May 4, 2022

My contribution for today:

First, about my source:

"The Law Dictionary features Black’s Law Dictionary, the trusted legal dictionary of law definitions and terms for over 100 years. The 2nd edition has over 15K legal terms for your business and research use."

The legal definition of "woman":

"All the females of the human species. All such females who have arrived at the age of puberty. "

https://thelawdictionary.org/women/

Not complex at all, is it?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 4, 2022

5 hours ago, MaybeeRN said:

I notice liberals love law and order when it goes there way. But when something doesn't its time to burn the institution to the ground. You mean law and order that was utilized in Portland and Seattle? Law and order that tried to entrap some impressionable people in Michigan? Or law and order that tired to imprison a young man in Wisconsin for protecting himself? Law and order that gave no bail to a dangerous Black racist lunatic that ran down and killed bunch of white people in a Wisconsin parade? That law and order you are referring to?

I notice that whenever conservatives are asked to talk about the unpleasant events of January 6th there's always a throwback to "well about about the BLM protests....what about......". It's a tactic that's avoids the subject by changing it and we've seen that many times on this forum.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 4, 2022

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

My contribution for today:

First, about my source:

"The Law Dictionary features Black’s Law Dictionary, the trusted legal dictionary of law definitions and terms for over 100 years. The 2nd edition has over 15K legal terms for your business and research use."

The legal definition of "woman":

"All the females of the human species. All such females who have arrived at the age of puberty. "

https://thelawdictionary.org/women/

Not complex at all, is it?

Fair enough but I think the complexity is when you dig just a bit further.

So a woman is a female and "Female means a person who is a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States and who is of the female gender."

Gender is "an individual's actual or perceived sex, gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression, whether or not that gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior or expression is different from that traditionally associated with the sex assigned at birth."

https://www.genderequalitylaw.org/lgtbqdefinitions

From the source you used "Defined difference between men and women based on culturally and socially constructed mores, politics, and affairs. Time and location give rise to a variety of local definitions. Contrasts to what is defined as the biological sex of a living creature."

https://thelawdictionary.org/gender/

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 4, 2022

6 hours ago, TooWeirdForFiction said:

I didn’t call you ignorant or a jerk. I said that the remark reflected ignorance OR was intentionally inflammatory in word choice.

You did a good job at talking about the posts and remarks and not personally attacking the poster.

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All health professionals understand that 1) medical abortion is reproductive healthcare and, 2) the procedure requires the presence of an appropriately licensed health professional in all states. Yet you are claiming something different.

An elective abortion is indeed a medical procedure, but then again so is a face lift. Is a face lift "health care". I can understand that those that think that aborting is killing the unborn wouldn't think of it as "healthcare".

toomuchbaloney · May 4, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

You did a good job at talking about the posts and remarks and not personally attacking the poster.

An elective abortion is indeed a medical procedure, but then again so is a face lift. Is a face lift "health care". I can understand that those that think that aborting is killing the unborn wouldn't think of it as "healthcare".

I can also understand why people may have a bastardized belief as to what abortion is or is not. Abortion is, after all, one of the most politicized medical procedures performed in the USA thanks to conservative animosity and marketing on the topic. Propaganda works.

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 4, 2022

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"Abortion is murder.. Those who carry out abortions kill.....scientifically it's a human life."

It's not just "conservative animosity and marketing" propaganda. The above statement is from Pope Francis in Sept. 2021.

He did go on to say that bishops should stay out of politics.

Beerman, BSN · May 4, 2022

1 hour ago, TooWeirdForFiction said:

I can also understand why people may have a bastardized belief as to what abortion is or is not. Abortion is, after all, one of the most politicized medical procedures performed in the USA thanks to conservative animosity and marketing on the topic. Propaganda works.

Then there are those who think the pro-lifers are about taking rights away from women and as another poster said, "making them second class citizens".

You don't even have to look past the fact women make up a large portion of pro-lifers to see logically that doesn't even make sense.

This must be liberal animosity, marketing, and propaganda at work?

Tweety, BSN, RN · May 4, 2022

27 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Then there are those who think the pro-lifers are about taking rights away from women and as another poster said, "making them second class citizens".

You don't even have to look past the fact women make up a large portion of pro-lifers to see logically that doesn't even make sense.

This must be liberal animosity, marketing, and propaganda at work?

Not to mention that it's very likely a female Associate Supreme Court Justice will be on the side of reversing Roe vs. Wade.

I've made the argument before (although me participating in abortion conversations is something I don't like to do) that it isn't just "old white men" telling women what to do with their bodies. I guess perhaps because I know it's a singular issue for a lot of women in how they vote, and there are women out there on the front lines protesting abortion.

I think because the overwhelming majority of people making these laws are men makes it murky for people and it isn't just propaganda because there is some truth to it. In Mississippi where this was generated the Attorney General is female but otherwise the top government positions are held by men. In their state legislature 25 of the 172 seats are held by women.

https://www.clarionledger.com/story/magnolia/2016/02/26/women-mississippi-state-leadership/80979944/

toomuchbaloney · May 4, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

It's not just "conservative animosity and marketing" propaganda. The above statement is from Pope Francis in Sept. 2021.

He did go on to say that bishops should stay out of politics.

So the fact that abortion is a topic in religious sects as well as a hot topic in right wing political rhetoric somehow means that it is not a topic with political propaganda widely broadcast to influence “conservative” Americans? Religious leaders should have no voice in American political decisions. Only Catholic women are under some pressure to live their reproductive lives according to the Pope’s opinion on pregnancy. It would be nice if the church actively contributed to the healthcare and social support needed by poor women experiencing unwanted pregnancy…that support is actually minimal and based in local charity rather than commitment to the women by the leadership which so freely make statements about “murder” while they have historically marginalized single but pregnant women in our country.