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15 hours ago, chare said:

As I thought.

Do you think that people who support Trump or Trumpian politics, rhetoric or narratives are thinking clearly with the wellbeing of our republic as their top priority? I don't. 

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I wonder what the diagnosis code is for that bit of propaganda that conservatives refer to as TDS.  Can you help us out @Beerman? What is the ICD-10 for TDS, is it in the F20s, 30s or 40s? Do you consider it a delusion to recognize Trump's lying and corruption or to recognize his authoritarian tendencies and affection for leaders like Putin or Erdogan? Please explain what you believe is credible or scientific or of any value at all in that partisan media fabricated term of TDS. 

As health professionals it should be of interest that one of our own seems to believe in made up medical conditions simply because of a partisan feeling that the term might offend some who see Trump and his support with clarity. Is that why you keep mentioning that bit of propaganda...hoping that it's going to offend liberals rather than just reflect your own beliefs?

As patriots we should be of a mind to protect our republic from threats...even from internal actors.  If Trump supporters cannot  appreciate that Trump's lies about election security coupled with republican legislative action around voting and counting votes and certifying results, actually represent a clear and present threat to our republic, then I have to argue with which group is really engaged in deranged thinking. It's not deranged to worry about the people trying to disrupt our election processes (with lies) to achieve unearned power and that's what Trump's doing. 

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that people who support Trump or Trumpian politics, rhetoric or narratives are thinking clearly with the wellbeing of our republic as their top priority? I don't. 

I don't accept your apparent belief that everything Mr. Trump was detrimental to the "wellbeing of our republic.

On 4/20/2022 at 10:57 AM, subee said:

We are a country that are 1/2 mental and ethical defectives.  It's impossible to turn half of the country around.  The ship is too heavy to change direction.  Trump fiddled while Washington burned.

Are you assuming that everyone that voted for Mr. Trump did so because they supported him?  I know some (many) don't accept the concept of voting for the lesser of two bad choices, but for many this was what it came down to.  Or, do you accept, as @subee suggests, that all that didn't vote for Mr. Biden are "mental and moral defectives?"

 

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3 hours ago, chare said:

I don't accept your apparent belief that everything Mr. Trump was detrimental to the "wellbeing of our republic.

Are you assuming that everyone that voted for Mr. Trump did so because they supported him?  I know some (many) don't accept the concept of voting for the lesser of two bad choices, but for many this was what it came down to.  Or, do you accept, as @subee suggests, that all that didn't vote for Mr. Biden are "mental and moral defectives?"

 

Let me start by addressing the claim or belief that people like myself, who are extremely critical of the corrupt incompetence of the Trump administration, see this in terms of whether or not "everything" Trump did was bad or good.  The reality is that no matter what good you might imagine that Trump achieved during his single term, it can't balance out the bad.  IMV  I'll state plainly that nothing good that could be listed as a Trump achievement could ever balance his lies about and incompetent management of the pandemic.  They're are no good Trump deeds that can balance his attempt to break our democracy once he realized that he had lost the election. The man shouldn't be allowed near another political office ever again.  

Yeah, in 2020 people either supported Trump and voted for him or they voted against Trump.  That's what I believe.  By 2020 there was clear evidence that Trump was a liar and incompetent, people either supported that or they didn't.  

I don't have to agree with the specific words of another member to agree with the general belief that there's something wrong when such a large number of people can't seem to discern obvious lying, corruption and dangerous behavior in a politician. 

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DeSantis went from the governor with the lowest approval ratings during covid to someone that is going to easily ride into re-election and someone that is a serious challenger to Trump

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has championed controversial stances that have catapulted him into GOP stardom. From Covid-19 vaccines to critical race theory to the law critics have dubbed "Don't Say Gay," DeSantis has annoyed Democrats (and many medical professionals) and delighted his fellow Republicans. 

He's played to the GOP base -- something you may not expect for a governor of a competitive state running for reelection this year.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/politics/florida-governor-desantis-poll-numbers/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2V39QJ47BeNELo5uyoUPR5vzXhiMz7v7o2n34fPG11uI6QbjKJt3BC4Vk

What I don't really like about him is that he really doesn't give a crap about anyone that isn't his base.  The most glaring example is his battle with "Woke Disney" which more than likely he's going to come out okay in the end.  I'm not saying Disney should have a lot of power and that he shouldn't comment, but Disney posted a huge revenue increase the first quarter of this year, is Florida's largest employer and has an economic impact in tax revenue that helps to keep us from having a state tax.  He should try to keep the peace while stating his objections.  He needs to allow people the freedom of objection.  If businesses like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A can get political, then Disney has that right.  I'm not saying that as a power Disney deserves special status.  But Florida under Scott and DeSantis have given out take breaks to attack businesses before.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-house-passes-bill-dissolve-disneys-special-self-governing-stat-rcna25337

He's redrawn the districts in Florida that will give the Republicans gains in congress.  What's interesting is that he took my very blue neighborhood out of the county and merged us with another county across the water.  This gives the red neighborhood to our west a republican representative.  The only problem with this is, is that this was done before and the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/20/florida-congressional-map-gop-gains-00026588

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3 hours ago, Tweety said:

DeSantis went from the governor with the lowest approval ratings during covid to someone that is going to easily ride into re-election and someone that is a serious challenger to Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/politics/florida-governor-desantis-poll-numbers/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2V39QJ47BeNELo5uyoUPR5vzXhiMz7v7o2n34fPG11uI6QbjKJt3BC4Vk

What I don't really like about him is that he really doesn't give a crap about anyone that isn't his base.  The most glaring example is his battle with "Woke Disney" which more than likely he's going to come out okay in the end.  I'm not saying Disney should have a lot of power and that he shouldn't comment, but Disney posted a huge revenue increase the first quarter of this year, is Florida's largest employer and has an economic impact in tax revenue that helps to keep us from having a state tax.  He should try to keep the peace while stating his objections.  He needs to allow people the freedom of objection.  If businesses like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A can get political, then Disney has that right.  I'm not saying that as a power Disney deserves special status.  But Florida under Scott and DeSantis have given out take breaks to attack businesses before.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-house-passes-bill-dissolve-disneys-special-self-governing-stat-rcna25337

He's redrawn the districts in Florida that will give the Republicans gains in congress.  What's interesting is that he took my very blue neighborhood out of the county and merged us with another county across the water.  This gives the red neighborhood to our west a republican representative.  The only problem with this is, is that this was done before and the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/20/florida-congressional-map-gop-gains-00026588

Did Chick Fil A get political, or did people get political with them?  What I remember is people boycotting them over charities they gave to.

Still, I would agree, he went a little overboard with Disney.  In the end they both are going to come out OK.  Disney is raking in the dough, and they aren't going anywhere despite DeSantis not keeping the peace.

Of course his base is important, but to say he doesn't give a crap about anyone else is maybe a little strong.  Most of the big tourist areas are heavy Democratic territory. They definitely benefitted from him keeping FL's economy open, as did the entire state.  And,  what politician doesn't heavily favor his base over others?

You'll have to show me where the Supreme Court has ruled against his redistricting plan.  Your article says that Democrats say it's unconstitutional.  Not the Supreme Court.

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

DeSantis went from the governor with the lowest approval ratings during covid to someone that is going to easily ride into re-election and someone that is a serious challenger to Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/21/politics/florida-governor-desantis-poll-numbers/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2V39QJ47BeNELo5uyoUPR5vzXhiMz7v7o2n34fPG11uI6QbjKJt3BC4Vk

What I don't really like about him is that he really doesn't give a crap about anyone that isn't his base.  The most glaring example is his battle with "Woke Disney" which more than likely he's going to come out okay in the end.  I'm not saying Disney should have a lot of power and that he shouldn't comment, but Disney posted a huge revenue increase the first quarter of this year, is Florida's largest employer and has an economic impact in tax revenue that helps to keep us from having a state tax.  He should try to keep the peace while stating his objections.  He needs to allow people the freedom of objection.  If businesses like Hobby Lobby and Chick Fil A can get political, then Disney has that right.  I'm not saying that as a power Disney deserves special status.  But Florida under Scott and DeSantis have given out take breaks to attack businesses before.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-house-passes-bill-dissolve-disneys-special-self-governing-stat-rcna25337

He's redrawn the districts in Florida that will give the Republicans gains in congress.  What's interesting is that he took my very blue neighborhood out of the county and merged us with another county across the water.  This gives the red neighborhood to our west a republican representative.  The only problem with this is, is that this was done before and the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional.  

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/20/florida-congressional-map-gop-gains-00026588

Do you think that DeSantis governs like an authoritarian who is currently restrained by laws? Do you think that the recent legislation that punishes Disney's disagreement is a portend to the type leadership we'll enjoy when republicans no longer worry about elections after they "fix" state systems that weren't broken? I do.  I think we are observing steps in a clear pathway toward authoritarian/fascist rule in this country. What do you think?

Mussolini is a good example of how people seek the decisiveness of fascism during a crisis, expecting it to be a temporary change, only to have it consume the country's politics. Hitler was a better known example of creating the widespread emotional stress of crisis or conflict in order to facilitate elevation of fascist rule but Mussolini pioneered the "modern" story telling of propaganda.  Mussolini once said of his fans that it was more important for them to believe than to know (paraphrased).  When people are afraid or angry they will give authoritarians power. Fascists use that reality to benefit themselves.  

 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that DeSantis governs like an authoritarian who is currently restrained by laws? Do you think that the recent legislation that punishes Disney's disagreement is a portend to the type leadership we'll enjoy when republicans no longer worry about elections after they "fix" state systems that weren't broken? I do.  I think we are observing steps in a clear pathway toward authoritarian/fascist rule in this country. What do you think?

Mussolini is a good example of how people seek the decisiveness of fascism during a crisis, expecting it to be a temporary change, only to have it consume the country's politics. Hitler was a better known example of creating the widespread emotional stress of crisis or conflict in order to facilitate elevation of fascist rule but Mussolini pioneered the "modern" story telling of propaganda.  Mussolini once said of his fans that it was more important for them to believe than to know (paraphrased).  When people are afraid or angry they will give authoritarians power. Fascists use that reality to benefit themselves.  

 

All one has to do is look around the world for authoritarian regimes that have hatched over the past decade.  Just run the trains on time and everything else will be forgiven.

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6 hours ago, Beerman said:

Did Chick Fil A get political, or did people get political with them?  What I remember is people boycotting them over charities they gave to.

Still, I would agree, he went a little overboard with Disney.  In the end they both are going to come out OK.  Disney is raking in the dough, and they aren't going anywhere despite DeSantis not keeping the peace.

Of course his base is important, but to say he doesn't give a crap about anyone else is maybe a little strong.  Most of the big tourist areas are heavy Democratic territory. They definitely benefitted from him keeping FL's economy open, as did the entire state.  And,  what politician doesn't heavily favor his base over others?

You'll have to show me where the Supreme Court has ruled against his redistricting plan.  Your article says that Democrats say it's unconstitutional.  Not the Supreme Court.

Chic-fil-A's leadership made some public remarks which inflamed the LGBTQ+ community which began to boycott the organization.  The business was largely saved from any negative financial consequences of the boycott by the activism of people like Mike Huckabee.  Since that public scrutiny that began during Obama's presidency, the company has completely revamped it's public stances and political or charitable donations. It seems clear that the company felt at least somewhat responsible for the controversy and has taken concrete steps to change the narrative.  

Threw Florida Supreme Court rejected the redistricting. 

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/02/10/florida-high-court-refuses-desantis-request-on-redistricting/

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11 hours ago, Tweety said:

He's redrawn the districts in Florida that will give the Republicans gains in congress.  What's interesting is that he took my very blue neighborhood out of the county and merged us with another county across the water.  This gives the red neighborhood to our west a republican representative.  The only problem with this is, is that this was done before and the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional.  

Maybe this is what you're thinking of?  But, the FL Supreme Court clearly didn't act the way you're remembering it, according to this article.

"— In a 5-0 ruling with two justices recused, the Florida Supreme Court on Thursday rejected a request by Gov. Ron DeSantis to provide advice on the legality of changing the configuration of a North Florida congressional district held by U.S. Rep. Al Lawson, a Black Democrat.

The decision now puts the pressure on the Florida House, which has delayed completion of its congressional map awaiting the court’s decision.

The House must decide whether to take the approach of the Senate and leave Congressional District 5, which stretches from Tallahassee to Jacksonville to link Black communities, as it is, or adopt the governor’s approach and dismantle it, creating a Jacksonville-based district instead."

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/02/10/florida-high-court-refuses-desantis-request-on-redistricting/

 

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On 4/18/2022 at 2:16 PM, Beerman said:

Yes, I agree.  And, they kinda make a big deal of it as I doubt its the usual to put out there that they are rejecting books, so I want to see what it is they speak of.

Here is a few examples from the textbooks FL rejected:

https://www.fldoe.org/academics/standards/instructional-materials/

I also Googled the Implicit Association Test the one text book was using as a source for the graphs in the first two examples.  Here's what I found about that.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/7/14637626/implicit-association-test-racism

It's pretty clear the publishers have an agenda.  Good for FL for fighting back.

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I simply disagree that the kerfuffle is actually related to "indoctrination". My view is that agitated parents are now excited by their media voices and political leadership "warning" them about this leftist indoctrination that is occurring in their schools all of a sudden. 

Until someone can actually point to an example that might qualify as indoctrination or CRT I'm going to call bullpucky. 

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