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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

But I didn't ask if they felt patriotic or love their country. Using a national flag as a symbol is not evidence of patriotism, love of country or clear thinking. 

Do you think that nationalists (some of them white nationalists) have co-opted some of our symbols of patriotism? I do. 

 

You asked this:  "Do you think that people who support Trump or Trumpian politics, rhetoric or narratives are thinking clearly with the wellbeing of our republic as their top priority? I don't. "

I answered how I understood the question.  My short answer was yes I do.  You said you don't.  Fair enough we don't agree.

Obviously not everyone carrying an American flag really cares about America. Defiant rancher Clive Bundy was often seen with an American flag, but he clearly was anti-government  and racist in action and words.  So I get your point.

But your average Joe Blow and wife at a Trump rally waving the American flag I feel are clear headed and patriotic.  

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'm not that interested if it meets the definition of CRT or not.

The textbook is including examples of false data that say if one is a conservative that they are likely a racist.  And this to children who for the most part don't know too much about political ideologies or what liberals and conservatives are.

To me, that's pretty clear that is indoctrination.

My stepson has been out of school for quite sometime.  So, I don't know firsthand about what's going on.  But over the past few years I've heard folks call in to talk radio and news stories.  You can Google "indoctrination in schools" and see examples.  And, then this in MATH textbooks.

This should be a big concern to all of us.

The only reason I brought up CRT is because DeSantis did, and I'm still waiting to see evidence of CRT being taught in these textbooks.

 I've heard some of the same concerns from parents.  Fair enough, if the lesson is "conservatives are racists" then that's wrong.  If the lesson is America has had a history of racism and is still struggling with it.  Then that really needs to be learned so we can change.  The education system is charged with indoctrinating our children to the American way of life, to create patriots that love America, that will go to war when called.

I think what some consider "indoctrination", I wouldn't. I did Google as you suggested and found that it does seem to be a concern but for example complaints about "sexualization of children" in one district (in Idaho?)  only involved the mentioning of LGBT issues.  

I do think this teachers come from all walks of life, bias in the classroom is a real thing.  A teacher here in Florida got into trouble for refusing to remove a BLM flag from outside her classroom. 

My niece has three school aged children and never has voiced any concerns over their education.  But she's a liberal leaning and her daughter seems to be turning out bisexual.  She wouldn't be upset over the same things conservative parents are.

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

You asked this:  "Do you think that people who support Trump or Trumpian politics, rhetoric or narratives are thinking clearly with the wellbeing of our republic as their top priority? I don't. "

I answered how I understood the question.  My short answer was yes I do.  You said you don't.  Fair enough we don't agree.

Obviously not everyone carrying an American flag really cares about America. Defiant rancher Clive Bundy was often seen with an American flag, but he clearly was anti-government  and racist in action and words.  So I get your point.

But your average Joe Blow and wife at a Trump rally waving the American flag I feel are clear headed and patriotic.  

Yes, we disagree.  I don't think that average Joe and Jill Blow at a Trump rally are necessarily examples of "clear headed" or patriotic.  Many of those people support very dangerous remedies for their social and political grievances.  I can't call that patriotic.

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22 hours ago, Tweety said:

Maybe it needs to be scraped because it's not an effective way of measuring racial bias, but I'm not sure it's indoctrinating children and teaching CRT.  

Exactly, how were they teaching "CRT"?  I read both articles which pointed out  the difficulty in measuring social variables to an audience of high school students who are mature enough to learn how complex the process is.  No white shaming here!   Is racial bias automatically a topic that should be removed from high school classes?  That's exactly what Desantis wants but that is a very anti-intellectual point to promote.  I'm not sure that bringing high school back to the 1950's is going to make us a better society or elevate emotional intelligence quotients.  We are talking about social statistics here and how they can be manipulated with math errors or bad data.

19 hours ago, Tweety said:

You asked this:  "Do you think that people who support Trump or Trumpian politics, rhetoric or narratives are thinking clearly with the wellbeing of our republic as their top priority? I don't. "

I answered how I understood the question.  My short answer was yes I do.  You said you don't.  Fair enough we don't agree.

Obviously not everyone carrying an American flag really cares about America. Defiant rancher Clive Bundy was often seen with an American flag, but he clearly was anti-government  and racist in action and words.  So I get your point.

But your average Joe Blow and wife at a Trump rally waving the American flag I feel are clear headed and patriotic.  

Patriotism is as simple as waving a flag?  It is if one is a tool.

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Bartow County, Florida on their social media account "Bartow County Schools" posted some cute pictures of kindergarten students having a heterosexual wedding as part of a learning experience dated April 20:

"HCES WEDDING EXTRAVAGANZA: We hear wedding bells at Hamilton Crossing Elementary School, and here's why!

Kindergarteners have worked hard this year learning letter identification and letter sounds. As a culminating activity, HCES held a wedding to help students remember the spelling rule for the letter Q…Q and U always go together in a word! Reception was immediately following the ceremony.

What a fun and engaging letter learning activity!"

They posted pictures but I won't because it's children but the Q was a girl and the U was a boy, dressed real cute in a wedding dress and the groom in a suit.  I'm sure you know where I'm going with this in a discussion about indoctrination and sexualization.

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10 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Bartow County, Florida on their social media account "Bartow County Schools" posted some cute pictures of kindergarten students having a heterosexual wedding as part of a learning experience dated April 20:

"HCES WEDDING EXTRAVAGANZA: We hear wedding bells at Hamilton Crossing Elementary School, and here's why!

Kindergarteners have worked hard this year learning letter identification and letter sounds. As a culminating activity, HCES held a wedding to help students remember the spelling rule for the letter Q…Q and U always go together in a word! Reception was immediately following the ceremony.

What a fun and engaging letter learning activity!"

They posted pictures but I won't because it's children but the Q was a girl and the U was a boy, dressed real cute in a wedding dress and the groom in a suit.  I'm sure you know where I'm going with this in a discussion about indoctrination.

If not indoctrination,  is certainly creepy.  I wouldn't be happy with my child participating.

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On 4/23/2022 at 1:47 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

No kidding.  

Do you think that there's much middle of the spectrum ideology expressed in current republican politics today? Do you think that there are very many influential national republicans who are considered moderates? Some political analysts believe that Trump represented a distinct step to the right and the result has been a loss of moderate voices in the Republican party.  I think that the evidence supports that. 

Romney.  Cheney.  How did moderation work out for them?

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2 hours ago, subee said:

Romney.  Cheney.  How did moderation work out for them?

Romney won his election with 62% of the votes.  He holds a powerful voice and what he says can make headlines.  He's telling Biden to ditch "woke advisors" on dealing with the economy so he's every bit of a conservative.

Cheney on the other hand may struggle to win re-election.  But again, she is part of the Jan. 6th commission and her national profile for standing up to Trumpism is raising her national profile.  The anti-Trump anti-Biden wing of the party has found a champion in Cheney.  

It's working out well for them in my opinion, just not with die-hard Trump supporters.

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8 hours ago, subee said:

Romney.  Cheney.  How did moderation work out for them?

Murkowski is also considered moderate.  She's regularly referred to as a RINO here in Alaska. 

Justin Amash was a moderate republican from Michigan.  He didn't seek reelection, I think that the "Trump effect" caused some moderate republicans to retire from public office.  The moderates who are facing challenges from pro-Trump candidates are often doing well in their campaign fundraising.  Murkowski is an example of that too. She gets noticeable support from liberals in the state. We helped keep her in office when she ran as an independent after losing the party primary a few years back.

It seems that moderate Republicans have an uphill battle in their party today. Few moderate republicans seem interested in running for a senate seat while Trump remains a powerful influence among a large percentage of the voting base. 

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They were ordered by the courts to resume the sale of leases, so had to implement a new strategy in the war on oil and gas. 

"The Interior Department on Friday said it’s moving forward with the first onshore sales of public oil and natural gas drilling leases under President Joe Biden, but will sharply increase royalty rates for companies as federal officials weigh efforts to fight climate change against pressure to bring down high gasoline prices.

The royalty rate for new leases will increase to 18.75% from 12.5%. That’s a 50% jump and marks the first increase to royalties for the federal government since they were imposed in the 1920s."

https://apnews.com/article/biden-business-billings-environment-4f5213bcc57da138e4d9ae859841b74d?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

They were ordered by the courts to resume the sale of leases, so had to implement a new strategy in the war on oil and gas. 

"The Interior Department on Friday said it’s moving forward with the first onshore sales of public oil and natural gas drilling leases under President Joe Biden, but will sharply increase royalty rates for companies as federal officials weigh efforts to fight climate change against pressure to bring down high gasoline prices.

The royalty rate for new leases will increase to 18.75% from 12.5%. That’s a 50% jump and marks the first increase to royalties for the federal government since they were imposed in the 1920s."

https://apnews.com/article/biden-business-billings-environment-4f5213bcc57da138e4d9ae859841b74d?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

That was a good article.  The Biden administration shows adaptability, balance and focus on longer term objectives relative to energy production and environmental concerns.  

You call it a war on oil and gas, others call it a progressive energy and national security agenda. 

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