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6 hours ago, Beerman said:

You've lost me, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

That children have died from covid and gun violence, not from what is written in their books.  She seems to be maintaining that Republicans in Florida care more about what kids are learning in school rather than things that are actually killing them.  Not that I agree, but I'm not lost with that train of thought.  I'll let her tell me that I'm wrong about where she's going with this.

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4 hours ago, MunoRN said:

1300 dead kids isn't a lot of dead kids?  How many dead kids enough to make you concerned?

The statement was "it's not a big killer of children" and I agree.  

 1300 isn't a lot of dead kids in the greater scheme of things.  Certainly it's not something to ignore or do something about, but it's not even in the top 10 leading causes of death.

There are nearly 73 million children in the United States.  Tens of thousands die from abuse and murder.  This is a problem.  More kids die from cancer than covid.  

Since someone will say "If it were you child.......".  Yes, I would be devastated.

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

That children have died from covid and gun violence, not from what is written in their books.  She seems to be maintaining that Republicans in Florida care more about what kids are learning in school rather than things that are actually killing them.  Not that I agree, but I'm not lost with that train of thought.  I'll let her tell me that I'm wrong about where she's going with this.

I see that now.  Thanks.

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I meant to include this in a previous response.

Common Core has proven to be a failure in achieving it's objective.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/04/05/common-core-failed-school-reform/

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12 hours ago, Beerman said:

You very well know I didn't mean literally.  As of a few weeks ago, about 1300 in the US died of COVID.  It's not a big killer of children.

Why do you think Republicans don't care about kids dying of Covid?

Well, what did you mean then that Republicans don't care about children dying from guns?  What have Democrats done to show they care more?

You've lost me, as I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

And, what do you know about what's written in their textbooks about covid and gun violence?  

 

It was largely white republican identifying Americans who opposed mask recommendations or requirements in schools when that was the only mitigation available for children.  That leaves the impression that those white republican voters cared less about whether children were exposed to or contracted the virus than they were about their feelings about masking as a public health recommendation.  Even when they knew that children were susceptible to MIS and long covid complaints white republicans pushed against barrier mitigation in schools to protect the children. 

It's odd that republicans who make excuses for book banning and narrowing access to books that make them feel uncomfortable, without any specific example of that which they claim, would question what others do or don't know about textbooks. Republicans are literally leading the movement to remove textbooks and published reading and resource books because they've been told that there's something un-American or disruptive about reality and truth in public schools.  When pressed, no evidence of their fears or claims can be identified...just like with voter fraud. 

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11 hours ago, Tweety said:

The statement was "it's not a big killer of children" and I agree.  

 1300 isn't a lot of dead kids in the greater scheme of things.  Certainly it's not something to ignore or do something about, but it's not even in the top 10 leading causes of death.

There are nearly 73 million children in the United States.  Tens of thousands die from abuse and murder.  This is a problem.  More kids die from cancer than covid.  

Since someone will say "If it were you child.......".  Yes, I would be devastated.

 

At the height of Covid it was reported to be the 6th leading cause of death in children in the US.

I suppose the phrase "a big killer of children" is fairly subjective, it would probably be more relevant to see if someone who analyzes this sort of thing considers it to be a major cause of death among children.  The Chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Disease referred to it as "a major cause of deaths and hospitalizations in children".

And the 4 digit tally is only for deaths, one thing I've learned is that even among kids, death is not the worst outcome resulting from a severe Covid illness.

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20 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

At the height of Covid it was reported to be the 6th leading cause of death in children in the US.

I suppose the phrase "a big killer of children" is fairly subjective, it would probably be more relevant to see if someone who analyzes this sort of thing considers it to be a major cause of death among children.  The Chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Infectious Disease referred to it as "a major cause of deaths and hospitalizations in children".

And the 4 digit tally is only for deaths, one thing I've learned is that even among kids, death is not the worst outcome resulting from a severe Covid illness.

Fair enough, the article states:

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To put it into some context, in a typical year the disease that kills the most children in the U.S. is cancer (about 1,800 deaths), followed by heart disease (about 600 deaths). The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that over the last two years, COVID-19 has killed roughly 570 American kids. and hospitalized about 22,000.

And you could say that out of millions of children cancer isn't a major killer of children since it's "only" 1,800 kids.  It is subjective.  

I stand corrected about saying it's not even in the top ten, but I was probably looking at over all stats from today and not at the height of covid.  At the height of covid it was a major killer of all of us.

Still, as I said during covid discussions one can't just look at the relatively low death rate of covid versus those infected, you have to look at the hospitalizations, the stress on hospitals and EMS to a crisis situation in many areas of the country.  I don't want to downplay the issue of covid in children or covid in general.

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough, the article states:

And you could say that out of millions of children cancer isn't a major killer of children since it's "only" 1,800 kids.  It is subjective.  

I stand corrected about saying it's not even in the top ten, but I was probably looking at over all stats from today and not at the height of covid.  At the height of covid it was a major killer of all of us.

Still, as I said during covid discussions one can't just look at the relatively low death rate of covid versus those infected, you have to look at the hospitalizations, the stress on hospitals and EMS to a crisis situation in many areas of the country.  I don't want to downplay the issue of covid in children or covid in general.

With the exception of the most rural outposts, did we actually have any hospitals that weren't affected negatively by Covid?  

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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough, the article states:

And you could say that out of millions of children cancer isn't a major killer of children since it's "only" 1,800 kids.  It is subjective.  

I stand corrected about saying it's not even in the top ten, but I was probably looking at over all stats from today and not at the height of covid.  At the height of covid it was a major killer of all of us.

Still, as I said during covid discussions one can't just look at the relatively low death rate of covid versus those infected, you have to look at the hospitalizations, the stress on hospitals and EMS to a crisis situation in many areas of the country.  I don't want to downplay the issue of covid in children or covid in general.

Pediatric hospitals were never overwhelmed from covid.  My peds hospital ED went from 250-300 visits a day to 40 to 50, in a matter of 3 or 4 days in March 2020.  We became overwhelmed in late Summer of 2021 when kids started sharing their cooties again and going out doing physical activities, and it continues.  Earlier this week, we had a record day for April.   Covid is barely mentioned, for quite some time now.

I almost took a travel position in your neck of the words in December, at Johns Hopkins in St Petersburg.  They told me they were experiencing the same kind of pattern.

Peds travel jobs went from being canceled in 2020 to unheard of rates in late Summer/ early fall 2021.  

This discussion started with another member deflected from the math textbook discussion to imply Republicans don't care about kids dying from covid.  It's not that, obviously.  It's that they and most of society weighs risks vs benefits.  There have definitely been tragic negatives to schools shutting down, mask mandates in schools, etc.  The left seemingly ignores that.

https://www.CPR.org/2021/05/25/covid-mental-health-childrens-hospital-colorado/

All for a virus that had far less risk and serious consequences for children than for them to travel in automobiles on a regular basis. And a vast majority of those children effected by covid are not the "healthy", and could be as negativly effected by a flu, RSV, a UTI even, etc.

Notice that those here who criticize Republicans for opinions on school related covid issues only criticize Republicans.  They never actually reveal their own opinions.  They just criticize.  One here, has children.  Was he or still in favor of covid restrictions and mandates for school children?  

 

 

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3 hours ago, subee said:

With the exception of the most rural outposts, did we actually have any hospitals that weren't affected negatively by Covid?  

Are you kidding?  Every hospital was negatively effected in some matter.  Including both rural and city.  But, not necessarily what your uninformed mind is implying.  Even city hospitals in some places experienced low census and the negative consequences of that, such as lost revenue which led to furloughing staff.

For example, my wife was on a ICU travel contract in CA and got canceled early April, 2020.   Later that month, on our drive to another one in the SF Bay area, got a text from the recruiter that it was canceled.

And, as I alluded to above in another post, peds hospitals became almost vacant.  As did hospitals that were heavily dependent on "elective" surgery.

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Pediatric hospitals were never overwhelmed from covid.  My peds hospital ED went from 250-300 visits a day to 40 to 50, in a matter of 3 or 4 days in March 2020.  We became overwhelmed in late Summer of 2021 when kids started sharing their cooties again and going out doing physical activities, and it continues.  Earlier this week, we had a record day for April.   Covid is barely mentioned, for quite some time now.

I almost took a travel position in your neck of the words in December, at Johns Hopkins in St Petersburg.  They told me they were experiencing the same kind of pattern.

Peds travel jobs went from being canceled in 2020 to unheard of rates in late Summer/ early fall 2021.  

This discussion started with another member deflected from the math textbook discussion to imply Republicans don't care about kids dying from covid.  It's not that, obviously.  It's that they and most of society weighs risks vs benefits.  There have definitely been tragic negatives to schools shutting down, mask mandates in schools, etc.  The left seemingly ignores that.

https://www.CPR.org/2021/05/25/covid-mental-health-childrens-hospital-colorado/

All for a virus that had far less risk and serious consequences for children than for them to travel in automobiles on a regular basis. And a vast majority of those children effected by covid are not the "healthy", and could be as negativly effected by a flu, RSV, a UTI even, etc.

Notice that those here who criticize Republicans for opinions on school related covid issues only criticize Republicans.  They never actually reveal their own opinions.  They just criticize.  One here, has children.  Was he or still in favor of covid restrictions and mandates for school children?  

 

 

Once again, if you have a question for me, why not man up and ask me directly?

Your question implies that it would an understandable stance for a health professional to say that is OK to open schools, without basic disease mitigation strategies in place to combat a coronavirus that was behaving in very atypical ways. I'm of the mind that such a belief would be irresponsible public health recommendation, especially when the public health experts were urging caution.  I personally observed kindergarten aged children complying very well with mask recommendations, unless their parents were anti-mask, then it was/is a struggle. 

Yes, I've only criticized republicans because they were the ones making odd public choices and statements about pandemic mitigation. It was largely republicans, not democrats or independents, who thought Trump did a fine job of managing the pandemic and that we should just open schools without masks because covid illnesses don't "typically" trouble children like they do adults. The virology and public health experts were urging caution until more data was available, but conservatives wanted schools open and no mask mandates in 2020. That re-opening of schools with mask freedom was one of the Republican campaign/election election topics for the 2020 election cycle, wasn't it?

We could have a discussion about how healthy it is for children to miss a year of in class education during a deadly global pandemic but I would suggest that such a discussion requires a more honest appraisal of the political leadership that failed us in this global health event.  

https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/bcnews/nation-world-society/law-and-politics/politics-and-school-reopenings.html

 

 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Once again, if you have a question for me, why not man up and ask me directly?

I thought he was talking about Muno.  You're too old to have children in school.  Grandchildren maybe.  LOL

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