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6 hours ago, Tweety said:

Not "caused covid".  But spread it, and made it worse,  especially during  Delta I heard people saying it real life   DeSantis said it.

That's a bit different.  And, even though it may be a bit hypocritical coming from DeSantis, people traveling likely did make it worse.

6 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't know what the plan was prior to covid or what Biden is going to do.  They acknowledge it's going to get worse and surely they know this and must be at least thinking about it.  I hope.

Being one that believes they don't mind chaos at the border, and on top of that are incompetent, I don't think they do have much of a plan.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

That's a bit different.  And, even though it may be a bit hypocritical coming from DeSantis, people traveling likely did make it worse.

Being one that believes they don't mind chaos at the border, and on top of that are incompetent, I don't think they do have much of a plan.

 

 

Is the Biden administration more or less incompetent than the Trump administration, in your opinion?

What plan are you looking for? Do people require a plan in order to follow CDC guidance for ending pandemic mitigation activities? 

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15 hours ago, Beerman said:

I don't recall that anyone claimed they "caused covid".  

Whatever the reason one believes it was put in place, shouldn't a plan been in the works for when it was rolled back?  

 

The "plan" for when the temporary Covid restrictions come to an end to go back to the pre-existing system, the one that existed under Trump.  If it's the same system then how is it Biden's screw-up?

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The idea is that there are more down there than the Trump years, because Biden and Democrats want an open border.  My dad just said the Republican talking point that Biden is about to open the border.  How is it that Republicans are this successful st getting this  message out?

It's a big issue to Republicans and will bite him.  Fox news will give wide  coverage to the "coast at the border".  This along with "crime in  liberal cities" (a story just the other day) will be one of many thorns.

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

The idea is that there are more down there than the Trump years, because Biden and Democrats want an open border.  My dad just said the Republican talking point that Biden is about to open the border.  How is it that Republicans are this successful st getting this  message out?

It's a big issue to Republicans and will bite him.  Fox news will give wide  coverage to the "coast at the border".  This along with "crime in  liberal cities" (a story just the other day) will be one of many thorns.

They are that successful because they use propaganda with the help of actual media outlets that are looking for clicks and likes as if popularity rather than truth was their objective.  We have a problem with propaganda in this country but we pretend like we don't. A frightening number of Americans are unable to discern truth from nonsense that simply sounds like it should be true.  The bulk of that propaganda comes from the right wing and is sympathetic to the notion that the 2020 election was somehow stolen. Propaganda works. 

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On 4/3/2022 at 6:01 AM, Tweety said:

Not "caused covid".  But spread it, and made it worse,  especially during  Delta I heard people saying it real life   DeSantis said it.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/06/ron-desantis/ron-desantis-effort-blame-covid-19-spread-migrants/

I don't know what the plan was prior to covid or what Biden is going to do.  They acknowledge it's going to get worse and surely they know this and must be at least thinking about it.  I hope.  ?

The dirty, diseased immigrant has been a KnowNothing trope for a couple of centuries, now. Every single time a new ethnic group has begun immigrating in large numbers, the immigrants who got here first insisted that the newbies had to be excluded because they were dirty and carried diseases that threatened the lives of the original invaders or their descendants. I wish they’d come up with something new!

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17 minutes ago, heron said:

The dirty, diseased immigrant has been a KnowNothing trope for a couple of centuries, now. Every single time a new ethnic group has begun immigrating in large numbers, the immigrants who got here first insisted that the newbies had to be excluded because they were dirty and carried diseases that threatened the lives of the original invaders or their descendants. I wish they’d come up with something new!

That increase in anti immigration language is evidence of the movement toward facism facilitated by Trump.  Facists won't come up with something new as long as the old tropes work to manipulate 21st century conservatives. 

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3 hours ago, Tweety said:

The idea is that there are more down there than the Trump years, because Biden and Democrats want an open border.  My dad just said the Republican talking point that Biden is about to open the border.  How is it that Republicans are this successful st getting this  message out?

It's a big issue to Republicans and will bite him.  Fox news will give wide  coverage to the "coast at the border".  This along with "crime in  liberal cities" (a story just the other day) will be one of many thorns.

It's not so much Republican messaging as it is simple observation of what the current administration does and doesn't do.  Such as Rolling back Trump immigration policies on the first day in office despite warnings from immigration experts .

I don't think this would be considered Republican messaging or propaganda:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-border-surge/2021/03/20/21824e94-8818-11eb-8a8b-5cf82c3dffe4_story.html

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Republicans are reveling in the administration’s border problems. Speaking on the Senate floor Thursday, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) referred to the decision to direct the Federal Emergency Management Agency to help with surge of migrants as a way to mock the administration’s refusal to call it a crisis.

That's from your article, @BeermanIt's expected that republicans will continue to elevate immigration complaints to motivate their voting base while they continue to refuse to take any action to fix our broken immigration system. 

Mocking and complaining, not solutions, is what the current republican party is good at. 

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Ultimately, solving the nation’s immigration crisis will involve addressing the root causes, probably with a broad legislative solution that will take time, administration officials say. But right now, two key goals are getting migrant children out of CBP care and placing them with vetted family members and sponsors in the United States.

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The Biden administration’s scramble to add shelter capacity to house and care for these children, Escobar said, is partly the result of the Trump administration’s chaotic handoff.
“Were they unprepared? Well, yeah, because there was no transition,” Escobar said. “The transition was an insurrection.”

For people seemingly very concerned about the function of the Biden administration, conservatives are curiously not at all concerned about how the previous corrupt administration refused to actually participate in a transition of authority, or how that dishonest refusal disrupted function and efficiencies.  

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49 minutes ago, Beerman said:

It's not so much Republican messaging as it is simple observation of what the current administration does and doesn't do.  Such as Rolling back Trump immigration policies on the first day in office despite warnings from immigration experts .

I don't think this would be considered Republican messaging or propaganda:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-border-surge/2021/03/20/21824e94-8818-11eb-8a8b-5cf82c3dffe4_story.html

I disagree   With all these people being turned away and deportations on ull swing the message my father received was "Biden wants am open border", not what is and isn't being done by Biden.  Politicians like Trump and others spread this myth.   Ots persistent and believed despite the truth.  Granted the truth isn't good enough for Republicans but why make something up?    Its one thing to be against his policy and hight the failures but that's not what they are doing.

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21 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I disagree   With all these people being turned away and deportations on ull swing the message my father received was "Biden wants am open border", not what is and isn't being done by Biden.  Politicians like Trump and others spread this myth.   Ots persistent and believed despite the truth.  Granted the truth isn't good enough for Republicans but why make something up?    Its one thing to be against his policy and hight the failures but that's not what they are doing.

He personally may or may not be for open borders...who knows?  I'm not sure he knows or cares.

But, there are those in his party who are.  

 

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15 minutes ago, Beerman said:

He personally may or may not be for open borders...who knows?  I'm not sure he knows or cares.

But, there are those in his party who are.  

 

That's the GOP propaganda talking.   You've provided no actual evidence that Democrats are in favor of open borders, you've only provided evidence that you believe propaganda about immigration and the border. Even while trying to make a point about the GOP using observation rather than propaganda conservatives can't get away from the propaganda. 

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