What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 5, 2022

While I never quite agreed that there was cancel culture and it was just a tool of right to fear monger. It doesn't seem to be an issue.

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"Louis CK just won a Grammy, so I don't want to hear any more whining about cancel culture," tweeted one person, adding, "Men can sexually prey on women, the victims can have their careers and confidence destroyed, it can all go public - and there will still be no real consequences."

https://www.eonline.com/news/1325882/louis-c-k-s-2022-grammys-win-for-best-comedy-album-stirs-up-social-media-backlash?fbclid=IwAR2x7faRYvT3olNTxrBM3BEZ92LJ9CaAH7_1GWL1hOrfahfRSy4LmiKfyMo

The most glaring example of lack of cancel culture is country superstar Morgan Wallen, who had the #1 album of 2021 across all formats, including pop and hip hop. And he's selling out football stadiums for his concerts. He wasn't canceled after using the N-word.

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Following coverage of the incident, Wallen almost immediately saw a 1,220 percent increase in digital album sales and a 327 percent increase in song sales.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/morgan-wallen-caught-using-n-word-says-he-hasn-t-n1274833

Guests · Apr 5, 2022

That's because "cancel culture" is right wing propaganda...intended to inflame "conservative" targets and convince them that they are victims.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 5, 2022

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

You need to back that up if you don't mind. Who is this liberal fraction?

https://medium.com/s/story/few-americans-want-open-borders-democrats-included-dba12884c133

I'm not saying I disagree with you that there is a call from some people for open borders. It's just not a political policy and is fear mongering and not a huge political force. But I'll surrender that the idea is out there. Those that want an open border seem to have zero influence on politicians.

Obviously a totally different topic that liberals tend to be for is to make citizens of children of illegal immigrants that have been here their whole lives, and to allow them to be educated. Also illegals that have been working and contributing to American society for decades should be departed. Wanting a moral and ethical system for treating human beings at the border, and within the border doesn't not equate to "open borders".

That is not to say that the border isn't having problems and shouldn't be deal with. Apparently about 170,000 are waiting for Title 42 to expire. Even with Title 42 border crossings were at an all time high. I will concede that ending Title 42 will be problematic, but again it seems ironic that in a country that demands zero covid restrictions or mandates to turn a blind eye to this policy.

The spending bill did include more spending at the border.

https://www.borderreport.com/regions/washington-d-c/congress-adds-100m-for-800-more-border-patrol-agents-congressman-says/

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/press-release/marking-two-years-illegal-inhumane-title-42-expulsions-nearly-10000-violent-attacks

Booker and Warren both had plans to decriminalize illegal immigration as part of their presidential plans.

AOC and others advocate to abolish ICE.

These are from a Democratic Socialist publication:

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/open-borders-the-once-and-future-immigration-policy/

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/ten-arguments-for-open-borders-the-abolition-of-ice-and-an-internationalist-labor-movement/

Guests · Apr 5, 2022

21 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Booker and Warren both had plans to decriminalize illegal immigration as part of their presidential plans.

AOC and others advocate to abolish ICE.

These are from a Democratic Socialist publication:

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/open-borders-the-once-and-future-immigration-policy/

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/ten-arguments-for-open-borders-the-abolition-of-ice-and-an-internationalist-labor-movement/

Neither of those articles from the political fringe support your claim that Democrats support or want open borders. Do you, in general, look to the extremist opinions and publications to support and make points about larger, less extreme groups?

ICE requires better oversight and supervision.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/migrant-women-file-class-action-lawsuit-alleged-medical-abuse-ice-n1252066

Guests · Apr 5, 2022

How Trump allies are pushing to hand-count ballots around the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/04/trump-hand-counted-ballots-dominion-machines/

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Some of the key architects and amplifiers of the false claim that voting machines were rigged to steal the 2020 election from Donald Trump traveled to the Nevada desert last month with a new pitch.
Speaking at a commissioners meeting in deeply conservative, mostly rural Nye County, they argued the county should ditch all its voting machines.
“The electronic voting machines are so vulnerable and so uncertifiable, I don’t see how we can trust them,” Jim Marchant, a Trump-supporting Nevada secretary of state candidate, told Nye County commissioners.
Instead, they insisted, the county should adopt an old-fashioned and largely obsolete method: tallying the results by hand.

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Top backers of Trump’s election fraud claims, meanwhile, are investing heavily in the effort to promote hand-counting — and using the pitch to raise money from energized supporters.
[How the election fraud myth was spread by a Texas security firm]
Experts say hand-counting ballots is so impractical that, if adopted, election results would be thrown into unimaginable chaos, inviting mass human error and delaying results — and potentially giving bad actors more time to slow or even block certification. Time and again, post-election audits have confirmed that machine counts are extremely accurate, and experts have said that there is no proof machines were hacked in 2020.

Do you think that republicans are intending to create confusion and chaos around our elections?

Guests · Apr 5, 2022

Jackson on course for confirmation, with 2 more GOP senators in favor

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/04/senate-vote-ketanji-brown-jackson/

Murkowski did the right thing...

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 5, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Booker and Warren both had plans to decriminalize illegal immigration as part of their presidential plans.

AOC and others advocate to abolish ICE.

These are from a Democratic Socialist publication:

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/open-borders-the-once-and-future-immigration-policy/

https://socialistforum.dsausa.org/issues/fall-2019/ten-arguments-for-open-borders-the-abolition-of-ice-and-an-internationalist-labor-movement/

Fair enough, I acknowledged that there were advocates for an open border policy such as the writers of the the opinion pieces you posted.

About Warren, wanting reform and fair treatment does not necessarily equate with open borders. Framing that is clearly a tactic of the right..in my opinion.

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Republican party communication arms and the Donald Trump re-election campaign has already slammed the idea of no longer treating unauthorized border crossings as criminal, framing it as "open borders." Trump campaign officials have told ABC News they plan to continue to paint these candidates as such.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elizabeth-warrens-plan-aims-decriminalize-border-crossings-expand/story?id=64267292

Obviously the approach to the border is heavy handed like Obama and Trump to more lax and humane as advocated by immigrant activitists. Warren's ideas were radical, but she lost and her latest push seems to be fair treatment. Her latest cause was the treatment of Haitan immigrants, not "open borders".

One can look at Biden's budget proposals to get a hint at what he's doing.

https://www.boundless.com/blog/biden-requests-56-7-billion-dhs-2023-budget/

Again, there's plenty to criticize about Biden and progressive Democrats especially from the far right press. That's fair, but "Democrats want open borders" is a false narrative that tires me.

Beerman, BSN · Apr 5, 2022

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough, I acknowledged that there were advocates for an open border policy such as the writers of the the opinion pieces you posted.

About Warren, wanting reform and fair treatment does not necessarily equate with open borders. Framing that is clearly a tactic of the right..in my opinion.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elizabeth-warrens-plan-aims-decriminalize-border-crossings-expand/story?id=64267292

Obviously the approach to the border is heavy handed like Obama and Trump to more lax and humane as advocated by immigrant activitists. Warren's ideas were radical, but she lost and her latest push seems to be fair treatment. Her latest cause was the treatment of Haitan immigrants, not "open borders".

One can look at Biden's budget proposals to get a hint at what he's doing.

https://www.boundless.com/blog/biden-requests-56-7-billion-dhs-2023-budget/

Again, there's plenty to criticize about Biden and progressive Democrats especially from the far right press. That's fair, but "Democrats want open borders" is a false narrative that tires me.

I'm not sure how it's a "false narrative" created by the right. You've acknowledged there are some who advocate for open borders, I showed you opinion pieces in a prominent publication, and even Joe Biden himself said some of his Democrat competitors were for it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/31/20749563/democratic-debate-biden-immigration

So, back to your original question about how Republicans are successful with the "open borders" messaging. It's because there are plenty of examples to back it up.

Guests · Apr 5, 2022

8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I'm not sure how it's a "false narrative" created by the right. You've acknowledged there are some who advocate for open borders, I showed you opinion pieces in a prominent publication, and even Joe Biden himself said some of his Democrat competitors were for it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/31/20749563/democratic-debate-biden-immigration

So, back to your original question about how Republicans are successful with the "open borders" messaging. It's because there are plenty of examples to back it up.

Not really. There are liberals with progressive ideas for immigration reform that republicans and conservatives prefer to label as "open borders" because their voting base won't question or think critically about that language as it matches the propaganda about immigration shared in their other media outlets and social media.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 5, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

I'm not sure how it's a "false narrative" created by the right. You've acknowledged there are some who advocate for open borders, I showed you opinion pieces in a prominent publication, and even Joe Biden himself said some of his Democrat competitors were for it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/31/20749563/democratic-debate-biden-immigration

So, back to your original question about how Republicans are successful with the "open borders" messaging. It's because there are plenty of examples to back it up.

From the two year old article. "Former Vice President Joe Biden wants illegal immigration to stay illegal." is how it starts off and he's attacking the Catro's plan. It goes on to analyze the debate and criticize Biden but it's not backing up your point that he wants an open border.

Of the 200 Democrats in the House and the 50 in the Senate and the President, where are these "plenty of examples to back it up".

I've stated more than once you can find democrats wanting open borders, but maybe we're talking about two different things here. You're putting up opinion pieces and plans from Castro and Warren that didn't call for open borders, but decriminalization that failed to go anywhere when Biden got the nomination. I'm talking about current Democrats in power in charge of making policy. I still venture to say with confidence the overwhelming majority of Democrats in the house and senate do not want an open border.

I'll drop the issue, call it what you choose. I wouldn't say that anymore than I would say Republicans want to lock up children in cages.

There is much to criticize without resorting to rhetoric.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bidens-handling-immigration-gets-low-marks-survey-conducted-pollster-rcna17787

Beerman, BSN · Apr 6, 2022

45 minutes ago, Tweety said:

From the two year old article. "Former Vice President Joe Biden wants illegal immigration to stay illegal." is how it starts off and he's attacking the Catro's plan. It goes on to analyze the debate and criticize Biden but it's not backing up your point that he wants an open border.

The article is about how Biden was accusing others in the race for wanting open borders. My point actually is, it must not be right wing messaging or false narrative from the right if Biden himself believed it.

"When moderators questioned him about the rise of deportation under President Barack Obama, Biden pivoted. Instead, he suggested that decriminalizing immigration means Democrats want open borders."

45 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I've stated more than once you can find democrats wanting open borders, but maybe we're talking about two different things here. You're putting up opinion pieces and plans from Castro and Warren that didn't call for open borders, but decriminalization that failed to go anywhere when Biden got the nomination.

I said there was some that want to decriminalize illegal immigration. You asked me to back that up, so I did. And, actually, the opinion pieces in the DSA publication did support open borders.

45 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I still venture to say with confidence the overwhelming majority of Democrats in the house and senate do not want an open border.

I disagree. Most won't call it that. But, their actions and proposals, such as to decriminalize illegal immigration, suggest that is what many want.

I'll move on, too. To continue, I think we'll start to go in circles.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Apr 6, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Most won't call it that. But, their actions and proposals, such as to decriminalize illegal immigration, suggest that is what many want.

I would ask you why democrats want open borders, but I've heard the answer already. It's not for humanitarian reasons and to free up the courts and save money, it's to breed people that will vote democrat. Just let them walk in, collect free stuff like welfare and food stamps and they will vote democrat. I have heard this in real life.

Thanks for dropping it though. We will agree to disagree the overall agenda is to open the borders.

I will say that I oppose open borders and the Democrat congressperson that represents me does as well. During a debate with Graham, Crist said.

GRAHAM: We should have very strong laws against illegal immigration. In terms of legal immigration, our state has benefited greatly. We should continue that tradition of America which recognizes our openness to th refugee-fleeing persecution.

CRIST: I agree with the senator in a lot of that response. I think that it's important that we make sure that we close the door of illegal immigration so that we can keep open the door and the promise of legal immigration. I understand how new blood and new energy and new ideas have made America a better place to live for all of us. And I think it's important that we continue to provide the opportunity for that infusion of new ideas and new blood and a better tomorrow. But we have to make sure that we protect our borders, and we have to make sure that we stop illegal immigration, because we can't afford it.

He has flip flopped on in-state tuition for the so-called Dreamers. He opposed it in the past, but is for it now.