What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Back to oil.

But then the article goes on to say.

Of course it's the War on Oil and the one executive that that says "significantly during and hampering...." that right wing media would cling to. Still as we've discussed the driving force does seem to be shareholder profit or spending, out of being stung by a downturn.  Kind of a "get it while you can" attitude because the future might not be oil.  As someone whose future livelihood is in the Stockmarket, I can understand that kind of pressure.  

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/energy/gas-prices-oil-production-wall-street/index.html

Gas around here has swung about 20 cents a gallon up and down.  The lowest I've seen lately is $3.99.  Apparently the lockdown in Shanghai affected world prices.  But also the Biden plan of releasing oil reserves.  Some call that risky and a temporary fix, not a long term strategy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/31/oil-markets-us-strategic-petroleum-reserve.html

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

I don't think that was said or implied.  Pretty much even congress agreed it was wrong of Trump to do that, but it was not an impeachable offense.  What I think was meant was that Trump somehow knew Hunter Biden was corrupt and wanted that exposed.   The bottom line behind that Hunter Biden was corrupt and that got lost in what Trump did.

Congress didn't really agree that Trump's extortion of Zelensky was bad.  The defense in the Senate insisted that as president, if Trump pursued corrupt personal political goals using federal institutions and military aid it was fine because his goals were the country's goals...remember? Susan Collins later said that she thought it was wrong and that he likely learned a lesson, but the Senate largely shrugged their shoulders after hearing the defense.  Trump's agenda is the country's agenda.  Maybe that's how they decided that the party didn't really need a platform in 2020...Trumps agenda is their agenda. 

Yeah. Trump knew that Hunter was corrupt just like we knew that Ivanka and Jared were corrupt...but Joe didn't put Hunter in an office in the White House like Don did. 

Don't you think that the new furor over the Biden laptop is designed to give the voting base something to worry about beyond Ginny Thomas, January 6, Trump's crazy talk or the crazy talk of Trump republicans desperate for attention and celebrity for their fund raising efforts? I do.  I think it's a distraction used by the propagandists to keep the people agitated about the topics that aren't exposing republican corruption. 

On the Cawthorn issue...his damning accusations about drug and sex parties don't really implicate democrats at all.  Cawthorn doesn't caucus with democrats to receive an invitation to a private party.  His inclusion would be in republican groups welcoming a conservative freshman republican representative. That's why McCarthy and republicans were so angry with him and he's now "lost trust"...not because he perpetuates lies dangerous for the republic but because his attention seeking bloviations are dangerous for the party. It's a pretty clear indication of exactly how narrow and power focused the intentions of the Republican party really are. IMV

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Don't you think that the new furor over the Biden laptop is designed to give the voting base something to worry about beyond Ginny Thomas, January 6, Trump's crazy talk or the crazy talk of Trump republicans desperate for attention and celebrity for their fund raising efforts? I do.  I think it's a distraction used by the propagandists to keep the people agitated about the topics that aren't exposing republican corruption. 

No.  That's a bit too conspiracy theory-ish for me to get behind.  

I don't even think there's a "furor" over it.  There's plenty of other distractions out there.  Right now the headline over at Fox is Biden's endorsement gender affirming treatment for transgendered minors, as well as their ongoing coverage of woke Disney and Will Smith.  Barely a mention of Hunter Biden.  

The New York post's big headline is about Will Smith and how is wife giggled when he slapped Chris Rock.  But they to have an article critical of the liberal media.  They make claims that are not proven and even Fox News I don't think claims.  Time will tell.  "they" being the liberal media.

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Of course, they all avoid the inevitable conclusion to be drawn from evidence contained on the laptop that the president’s drug-addled son Hunter abandoned at a MacBook repair shop in Delaware in April 2019: that Joe Biden, when he was vice president, was aware of, and intimately involved in, a corrupt, multimillion-dollar, international influence-peddling scheme run by Hunter, and Joe’s brother Jim Biden, in the countries for which Joe was point man in the Obama administration, such as Russia, Ukraine and China.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/media-avoided-the-ties-between-joe-biden-and-hunters-laptop/

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

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A top legal analyst at CNN said it is possible President Biden’s son Hunter Biden could be indicted by the U.S. government following an investigation into his foreign business dealings. 

“This is a very real, very substantial investigation of potentially serious federal crimes,” Elie Honig said Wednesday morning on the network. “We are seeing federal prosecutors in Delaware do exactly what you would expect to see federal prosecutors do in this situation.” 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/600372-cnn-realistic-chance-hunter-biden-could-be-indicted/?fbclid=IwAR0wFH_sfd65krjfC9EaHSl3C7OqrdQFDpV_zXHo0qpkly833XjWp5oW3JM

7 hours ago, Tweety said:

No.  That's a bit too conspiracy theory-ish for me to get behind.  

I don't even think there's a "furor" over it.  There's plenty of other distractions out there.  Right now the headline over at Fox is Biden's endorsement gender affirming treatment for transgendered minors, as well as their ongoing coverage of woke Disney and Will Smith.  Barely a mention of Hunter Biden.  

The New York post's big headline is about Will Smith and how is wife giggled when he slapped Chris Rock.  But they to have an article critical of the liberal media.  They make claims that are not proven and even Fox News I don't think claims.  Time will tell.  "they" being the liberal media.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/media-avoided-the-ties-between-joe-biden-and-hunters-laptop/

The NYPost is experienced in making claims and advancing speculation that isn't actually supported by evidence or facts.  Their statement that Joe Biden was aware of and intimately involved in criminal or illegal behavior is a fabrication.  There is no evidence that proves that.  

I'll concede that furor was too strong of a word but the distractions are intentional in the reporting.  Don't underestimate the intention of propagandists. 

[Beerman, BSN]

11 hours ago, Tweety said:

No.  That's a bit too conspiracy theory-ish for me to get behind.  

I don't even think there's a "furor" over it.  There's plenty of other distractions out there.  Right now the headline over at Fox is Biden's endorsement gender affirming treatment for transgendered minors, as well as their ongoing coverage of woke Disney and Will Smith.  Barely a mention of Hunter Biden.  

The New York post's big headline is about Will Smith and how is wife giggled when he slapped Chris Rock.  But they to have an article critical of the liberal media.  They make claims that are not proven and even Fox News I don't think claims.  Time will tell.  "they" being the liberal media.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/30/media-avoided-the-ties-between-joe-biden-and-hunters-laptop/

Biden met with the executive of the oil company of which his son was inexplicably a board member of.  Biden had a prosecutor who was investigating the oil company fired.

It sounds like you believe Biden was being truthful when he said he's never discussed with his son his business dealings in Ukraine?

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Biden met with the executive of the oil company of which his son was inexplicably a board member of.  Biden had a prosecutor who was investigating the oil company fired.

It sounds like you believe Biden was being truthful when he said he's never discussed with his son his business dealings in Ukraine?

I don't think Biden was privy to any illegal activity.  He's not being investigated.  

I do like things to be proved and if Hunter Biden is guilty then he needs to go to jail.  If it turns out President Biden did anything unethical or illegal, that needs to come out too.  But as I said is my personality, I'm not the judge and jury and will trust the process of people that are, and accept that.

[MunoRN, RN]

18 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Biden met with the executive of the oil company of which his son was inexplicably a board member of.  Biden had a prosecutor who was investigating the oil company fired.

It sounds like you believe Biden was being truthful when he said he's never discussed with his son his business dealings in Ukraine?

Biden, along with the EU, was advocating that Shokin be fired because he failed to investigate Burisma, not because he was investigating Burisma.  

[Beerman, BSN]

37 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I don't think Biden was privy to any illegal activity.  He's not being investigated.  

I do like things to be proved and if Hunter Biden is guilty then he needs to go to jail.  If it turns out President Biden did anything unethical or illegal, that needs to come out too.  But as I said is my personality, I'm not the judge and jury and will trust the process of people that are, and accept that.

Well, you avoided my question.  That's OK.  We both have our opinions, and we'll see what happens.

I do have to correct myself.  The Ukraine prosecutor was pushing to open an investigation in Hunter's role at Burisma.  There was not active investigation.

"Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html

 

 

[MunoRN, RN]

5 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Well, you avoided my question.  That's OK.  We both have our opinions, and we'll see what happens.

I do have to correct myself.  The Ukraine prosecutor was pushing to open an investigation in Hunter's role at Burisma.  There was not active investigation.

"Shokin has claimed he was pushed out by Biden because he tried to launch a probe into Hunter Biden’s role at Burisma."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html

 

 

Yes, the prosecutor that every country in the Western World deemed to be too corrupt to allow to stay in his position is probably a reliable source.

On a related note, Ted Bundy pointed out that he didn't actually kill anybody, that's clearly also true.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 hours ago, Beerman said:

Well, you avoided my question. 

This was my answer to your question.  "I don't think Biden was privy to any illegal activity.  He's not being investigated. ".    So I believe that.  

Let me clarify that answer, which I agree is vague.  You asked if I believed he had conversations with his son about business dealings.  Not being a fly on the wall, I don't know but I believe he wasn't privy to illegal activities and wasn't involved in that.  It has to be proven to me otherwise.  If it's true Biden did something illegal I won't stick my head in the sand.   He may not be as sharp as he used to be but he's not a criminal or stupid.  He managed all these years in politics relatively clean.  But people do strange things for family, but like I said it has to be proven to me.

I have a close family member that is a drug addict and they are masters at lying, manipulating and hiding things from their family.  It's quit likely that Hunter Biden was involved in business dealings he kept from his father.  But did they have discussions?  Probably, what family doesn't discuss their careers.  What father doesn't at least know on the surface what his child's career is.  

The article you stated says:

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Shokin’s firing, however, was not a unilateral action directed by Biden. It was prompted by a push for anti-corruption reforms developed at the State Department and coordinated with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund.

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It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

I suppose it's understandable that one could invent a conspiracy theory around this.  It's just too juicy.

[Beerman, BSN]

3 hours ago, Tweety said:

This was my answer to your question.  "I don't think Biden was privy to any illegal activity.  He's not being investigated. ".    So I believe that.  

Let me clarify that answer, which I agree is vague.  You asked if I believed he had conversations with his son about business dealings.  Not being a fly on the wall, I don't know but I believe he wasn't privy to illegal activities and wasn't involved in that.  It has to be proven to me otherwise.  If it's true Biden did something illegal I won't stick my head in the sand.   He may not be as sharp as he used to be but he's not a criminal or stupid.  He managed all these years in politics relatively clean.  But people do strange things for family, but like I said it has to be proven to me.

I have a close family member that is a drug addict and they are masters at lying, manipulating and hiding things from their family.  It's quit likely that Hunter Biden was involved in business dealings he kept from his father.  But did they have discussions?  Probably, what family doesn't discuss their careers.  What father doesn't at least know on the surface what his child's career is.  

The article you stated says:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

I suppose it's understandable that one could invent a conspiracy theory around this.  It's just too juicy.

I'll concede that may be a legitimate reason the prosecutor was fired.  It does seem odd to me that the VP was so involved in getting one person in a foreign country, who had barely been on the job, fired.  So, it shouldn't be dismissed as cover for the real reason Joe was involved. 

As a side note, kinda ironic he did it by threatening to hold cash, isn't it?

Still doesn't explain why Hunter was ever given a position on the Burisma board.  Or why VP Biden would have even taken a meeting, arranged by Hunter, with the executive.