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19 hours ago, Beerman said:

I'm pretty sure it has a source for the data.  Where did you get the graph from?

It's cartoonist because you can't extract any specific data from it.  What was the unemployment for September 2015?

I'm pretty sure the number it increased to under Trump was still lower than it was in the 8 years under Obama.

 

Here's another version of the graph directly from the Federal Reserve Economic Database, you can hover and see any individual data points in the graph.

Other than the fact that it puts the overall data into context, and you would prefer to take it out of context, I'm not sure what your issue is with showing data in graph form.

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9 hours ago, Beerman said:

You don't recognize sarcasm?

Blah blah.....the rest I've heard before, and it bores me to refute again.

Good day.  

Oh...that was sarcasm? It's hard to tell when so many of your non sarcastic remarks have the same tone and accuracy. Maybe you should try using a special sarcasm font so we can know when you are intending your remarks to be taken as serious.

Yeah. It gets boring to have threads filled with emotional posturing and unsupported partisan claims and animus.

Yep...my day has been good.  

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

The White House can't help themselves either but to bring up Trump.

https://fb.watch/9PEDd_Eo0B/

I watched the press briefing.  Isn't it interesting that the press pursues presidential opinion on such an unimportant issue....probably because it tittilates so many conservatives when posted to social media. 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Well, did they make a mistake?

This country is very forgiving if you just own up your mistakes and say you learned something. 

Yep. Everyone should follow Trump's example maybe. 

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50 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Here's another version of the graph directly from the Federal Reserve Economic Database, you can hover and see any individual data points in the graph.

Other than the fact that it puts the overall data into context, and you would prefer to take it out of context, I'm not sure what your issue is with showing data in graph form.

LOL. No, I didn't it out of context.   Just the fine detail of the data couldnt be seen in your graph.

Let me make this analogy.  A fat guy needs a weight loss coach.  He starts with coach 1.  The first pounds were easy.  Stop the snacks and soda pop.  Weight was lost for a time, then only minor fluctuations for a year and a half.

In comes the new weight loss coach, Suddenly,  consistent weight loss again happens and continues.

By your logic, the second coach doesn't get any credit because it's the first one who started the downward trend.

18 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yep. Everyone should follow Trump's example maybe. 

Oh, made it almost a whole day without mentioning Trump in a discussion that has nothing to do with him.

So close.

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4 minutes ago, Beerman said:

LOL. No, I didn't it out of context.   Just the fine detail of the data couldnt be seen in your graph.

Let me make this analogy.  A fat guy needs a weight loss coach.  He starts with coach 1.  The first pounds were easy.  Stop the snacks and soda pop.  Weight was lost for a time, then only minor fluctuations for a year and a half.

In comes the new weight loss coach, Suddenly,  consistent weight loss again happens and continues.

By your logic, the second coach doesn't get any credit because it's the first one who started the downward trend.

Oh, made it almost a whole day without mentioning Trump in a discussion that has nothing to do with him.

So close.

Trump is a perfect example to follow for admitting a failure or error, describing a learned lesson and apologizing. Trump is always relevant when talking about a president who might need to admit a fault.  Or maybe you thought this was a thread with a specific topic that is completely unrelated to the only president who ever said publicly that he doesn't take responsibility for his failures. 

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26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 Or maybe you thought this was a thread with a specific topic that is completely unrelated to the only president who ever said publicly that he doesn't take responsibility for his failures. 

I didn't know that.  Do you have a source?

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42 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I didn't know that.  Do you have a source?

I'm referring to a specific question about his covid failure.  He specifically said he took no responsibility. It fits his historical behavior and attitudes, though.  That darling of the evangelical group struggles with confession, forgiveness and repentance.  Yeah, I have a source...Trump. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I'm referring to a specific question about his covid failure.  He specifically said he took no responsibility. It fits his historical behavior and attitudes, though.  That darling of the evangelical group struggles with confession, forgiveness and repentance.  Yeah, I have a source...Trump. 

No, I meant that he's the only president, as you claimed.

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8 hours ago, Beerman said:

What's getting swept under the rug a bit is that it wasn't just a alleged crime.  But that Democrats and the media ran with it so eagerly because it was Trump supporters who committed the alleged crime.  

The story was a bit outrageous.   It should have been met with a skeptical eye in the first place.

So, yes. They should have regrets.   Or explain why they don't. 

All your opinion, except the part that Democrats and the media ran with it so eagerly because it was Trump supporters who committed the alleged crime.  Again, it was just too juicy to not do this.  

I understand the initial reaction because everyone believed him,  not sure why the reporter doesn't understand that and wants and explanation as to why we believed him and were outraged.  I guess for some people they think that looks bad that we believed him and were proven wrong.  Meh, I don't mind being wrong.

It was very quickly followed by skepticism as the details came out and people began to question it.    

But yes, she should have answered the question without bringing up Trump. In the end she said they were wrong and accepted the verdict.  What more do you want?  You want them to say "oh we only jumped on the story because we wanted to look good and pretend these things wouldn't be tolerated and especially because it was a Trump supporter that did it"?

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

By your logic, the second coach doesn't get any credit because it's the first one who started the downward trend.

But when the 2nd coach starts out saying "the first coach's weight loss program was a disaster and the patient is in ruins, and this guy is so lucky I took over, I'm the greatest coach ever.  Look at this man now, he's the lowest weight he's ever been thanks to me, I'm the greatest!" people might be tempted to say to remind him of the accomplishments of the first coach especially if the first coach lost say 80 pounds and the 2nd coach lost 10 lbs.  

But yes the second coach deserves high props for continuing the trend.

But it does seem a little lame when someone says in 2019 there was record low unemployment and someone snaps "well Obama started it".

 

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4 hours ago, Tweety said:

But when the 2nd coach starts out saying "the first coach's weight loss program was a disaster and the patient is in ruins, and this guy is so lucky I took over, I'm the greatest coach ever.  Look at this man now, he's the lowest weight he's ever been thanks to me, I'm the greatest!" people might be tempted to say to remind him of the accomplishments of the first coach especially if the first coach lost say 80 pounds and the 2nd coach lost 10 lbs.  

But yes the second coach deserves high props for continuing the trend.

But it does seem a little lame when someone says in 2019 there was record low unemployment and someone snaps "well Obama started it".

 

The claims are generally, when coming from Trump or his supporters, quite a bit less nuanced and more grandiose.  Trump, after all, claimed in his state of the union speech that the American economy was the best it had ever been.  That's an exaggeration at best but it's definitely not true. He hadn't exceeded historical GDP or unemployment rates. 

Trump's claims and those of his supporters often ignore the Obama trajectory and talk as if the economy was in a tail spin when Trump got those electoral college votes in 2016. You've seen that language. 

Trump is a corrupt liar who tanked our economy by ignoring and lying about a pandemic.  Trump bragged about being really really smart, having a big brain, and made crazy claims about what only he could do...those kind of people used to gather crowds at carnivals and circuses, now they are in republican politics.  

If you compare Trump to a personal trainer, Trump would be the MTG of the crossfit gym.

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