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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

In fact, that content you quoted was chock full of partisan propaganda, misinformation and fear mongering about immigrants and voting.  

And claiming republicans are refusing vaccines and wanting to spread covid to make Brandon look bad isn't "fear mongering" "propaganda "? LOL

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3 minutes ago, Cclm said:

And claiming republicans are refusing vaccines and wanting to spread covid to make Brandon look bad isn't "fear mongering" "propaganda "? LOL

Do you think that your comment is less full of propaganda and misinformation if you imply that someone else might also spread propaganda and nonsense? That seems to be your "logic".

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

And claiming republicans are refusing vaccines and wanting to spread covid to make Brandon look bad isn't "fear mongering" "propaganda "? LOL

Many, (not all) republicans  believe that COVID is no worse than the flu. So saying that they refuse vaccines is not fear mongering. I don't know how many republicans are in your community, but there are a lot in mine, and they wear their COVID infections like badges of honor. They are convinced that only old and fat people die of it, and if more people would just get it, it will make Biden and our governor look bad and get voted out. That's not propaganda, that is fact. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Many, (not all) republicans  believe that COVID is no worse than the flu. So saying that they refuse vaccines is not fear mongering. I don't know how many republicans are in your community, but there are a lot in mine, and they wear their COVID infections like badges of honor. They are convinced that only old and fat people die of it, and if more people would just get it, it will make Biden and our governor look bad and get voted out. That's not propaganda, that is fact. 

 

 

They may refuse vaccines mandates. I believe more are vaccinated than not, the crazies calling into radio shows are not the majority but perhaps the loudest(same goes for democrats)Other than infection rates it is very simular to the flu. Some definitely need to take covid as a threat more seriously but saying they are purposely not being vaccinated so more people will get covid to make Biden look bad is a stretch and sounds simular to other conspiracy theories floating around. Republican and Democrat.! 

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you think that your comment is less full of propaganda and misinformation if you imply that someone else might also spread propaganda and nonsense? That seems to be your "logic".

This coming from a person who do doubt types propaganda at least 50 times a day, who calls everything propaganda when they do not agree. Mkay.... kinda incriminated yourself. 

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29 minutes ago, Cclm said:

This coming from a person who do doubt types propaganda at least 50 times a day, who calls everything propaganda when they do not agree. Mkay.... kinda incriminated yourself

I asked you a simple question.  When you are accused of publishing nonsense and propaganda do your remarks become more accurate or less nonsensical because you've accused someone else of the same thing? Do you think that referring to Biden as Brandon marks you as a person titillated by right wing propaganda and animus or do you think you're just fine as long as you can point to some anonymous liberal somewhere that used propaganda or nonsense in a comment? 

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58 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I asked you a simple question.  When you are accused of publishing nonsense and propaganda do your remarks become more accurate or less nonsensical because you've accused someone else of the same thing? Do you think that referring to Biden as Brandon marks you as a person titillated by right wing propaganda and animus or do you think you're just fine as long as you can point to some anonymous liberal somewhere that used propaganda or nonsense in a comment? 

I don't know do your remarks become more accurate because you yourself has decided something is propaganda? I 5hink you have a complex in which you think you are the proprietor of propaganda detecting. 

I'd say I have a sense of humor. You should try it. Making a joke like Brandon doesn't automatically mean I only watch and consume right wing propaganda.  Besides I'm not here to change your mind, that is impossible.  I'm here so that there is some diverse opinions so others can decide. Instead of reading a left wing echo chamber. And the more hypocritical you all are to me,the more you use ad hominem, speaks louder than any propaganda ever could. Keep on keeping on and you will see in the 2022 primary that normal people are sick of all the crap. 

Let's go Brandon! 

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

They may refuse vaccines mandates. I believe more are vaccinated than not, the crazies calling into radio shows are not the majority but perhaps the loudest(same goes for democrats)Other than infection rates it is very simular to the flu. Some definitely need to take covid as a threat more seriously but saying they are purposely not being vaccinated so more people will get covid to make Biden look bad is a stretch and sounds simular to other conspiracy theories floating around. Republican and Democrat.! 

 

Okay, sure, you don't buy this theory. So then, tell me why are very few of those in Republican leadership are urging vaccination, at all? I know that Leader McConnell, when pressed, will do so. And a few members of congress who are physicians, do, but mostly it's crickets. If the former guy's chief of staff is accurate, his old boss came close to dying. And yet, other than mentioning it at a rally and getting booed, I haven't heard the former guy promoting "his vaccines". There was a push in July by some Republican governors, but now, with a new wave, I ain't heard nothing from them. 

But if they can lay the blame on Biden, as they did the the false story about more deaths on Biden's watch that his predecessor, then why not? 

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28 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I'd say I have a sense of humor. You should try it. Making a joke like Brandon doesn't automatically mean I only watch and consume right wing propaganda.

That's a joke? What is the joke?  That you used that phrase and think it's funny definitely means that you frequent and enjoy right wing propaganda. It doesn't matter if you don't "only" consume right wing propaganda when the right wing  propaganda is reflected so often in your remarks. 

 

28 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Besides I'm not here to change your mind, that is impossible.  I'm here so that there is some diverse opinions so others can decide.

No one, including me has encouraged or expected you to change someone else's mind or thinking.  My only expectation is that you are able to support and defend your own beliefs or feelings in an intelligent and cogent discussion.  So far you haven't proven yourself up to that level of interaction. Maybe someday you'll be able to defend your own beliefs and stances rather than insisting that someone else must convince you that you are wrong. 

 

28 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Keep on keeping on and you will see in the 2022 primary that normal people are sick of all the crap. 

Let's go Brandon! 

"Normal people".  OK. You mean the people in denial about who and what Trump is, about what happened on January 6th, and who think that the pandemic is overhyped by democrats? 

I wonder if you believe that folks like me are troubled by that phrase "let's go Brandon"? I bet that's why you keep bringing it up when you whine about how you feel. You think you're trolling the members who voted against Trump don't you?

That's a special and cute brand of diversity that you bring to the conversation.  It reflects well on your communication skills. 

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On 12/7/2021 at 1:02 PM, Cclm said:

I do not think so. An intervention at any stage of pregnancy is not considered "abortion" in the literal sense. (Abortion, spontaneous, elective in medical terminology is the same). 

The Texas law excluded termination in threat of the mothers life. Is the same as a premature baby being delivered at 7 month because of placenta previa etc. The mother is saved and all 3ffort the baby is too so unless you are saying that the Dr. Could still be subject to any type of litigation, that is false. That would effectively cause possible  legal implications for an everyday OBGYN early induction of labour, emergency c-section before 40 weeks. Show me in the Texas bill that says that. If it does I would like to see. I didn't read that in the bill. 

So it could be both bills need more precise terminology? Pretty much for the same thing. 

What excluded in termination in the mothers health life(Texas bill) and termination of risk to mothers life/health late term(democrats bill). 

I do not support any of the civil legal stipulations in the Texas bill by the way. But I was originally questioning the Democrat bill. 

Shifting enforcement to a Civil action is the whole point of the Texas bill.  If enforcement was the the government it would be unconstitutional, but the Constitution doesn't apply to private citizens.

The law works much differently on the Civil side.  Take a speeding ticket as an example.  Normally, only someone qualified to give you a speeding ticket is able to so, what qualifies them is that in being granted that power they have to follow certain criteria; they have to have objective evidence (radar gun evidence for instance), and what speeding is is clearly defined.

If enforcement was shifted to the Civil side then none of that really applies.  Someone can take you to court for not only feeling like you were speeding, but they can define speeding however they want, they can so going ten miles an hour is speeding.

In terms of what the two laws contain you've pretty clearly described your views as being in agreement to the Democratic bill and opposed to the Texas heartbeat bill, it's OK to admit that you disagree with Republicans every once in a while and agree with Democrats every once in a while.

2 hours ago, Cclm said:

They may refuse vaccines mandates. I believe more are vaccinated than not, the crazies calling into radio shows are not the majority but perhaps the loudest(same goes for democrats)Other than infection rates it is very simular to the flu. Some definitely need to take covid as a threat more seriously but saying they are purposely not being vaccinated so more people will get covid to make Biden look bad is a stretch and sounds simular to other conspiracy theories floating around. Republican and Democrat.! 

This coming from a person who do doubt types propaganda at least 50 times a day, who calls everything propaganda when they do not agree. Mkay.... kinda incriminated yourself. 

What in the world are you talking about?

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3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Many, (not all) republicans  believe that COVID is no worse than the flu. So saying that they refuse vaccines is not fear mongering. I don't know how many republicans are in your community, but there are a lot in mine, and they wear their COVID infections like badges of honor. They are convinced that only old and fat people die of it, and if more people would just get it, it will make Biden and our governor look bad and get voted out. That's not propaganda, that is fact. 

 

 

Wow.  When I read this. I was literally sitting out side in 30 degree windchill weather at a vaccine clinic.  Most of my working time this calendar year has been giving vaccines in 4 different states, including Florida, one of the first to mobilize state mobile vaccine clinics.

Someone, maybe you, recently mentioned protesters.  I've been part of thousands, if not tens of thousands, vaccinations.   I've come across actual protesters one time.  The most vile comments I've had directed at me are from black folks in poorer neighborhoods.  I don't know their political views, but we know who they tend to vote for. 

So, to imply most Republicans are anti vax is a simplistic,  politically motivated,  uninformed opinion.

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8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Wow.  When I read this. I was literally sitting out side in 30 degree windchill weather at a vaccine clinic.  Most of my working time this calendar year has been giving vaccines in 4 different states, including Florida, one of the first to mobilize state mobile vaccine clinics.

Someone, maybe you, recently mentioned protesters.  I've been part of thousands, if not tens of thousands, vaccinations.   I've come across actual protesters one time.  The most vile comments I've had directed at me are from black folks in poorer neighborhoods.  I don't know their political views, but we know who they tend to vote for. 

So, to imply most Republicans are anti vax is a simplistic,  politically motivated,  uninformed opinion.

I guess in your view "many but not all" is the same as saying "most". I bet that most of us (or maybe mammy but not all of us) have better reading comprehension than that. 

I'd say that mischaracterizing the statements of others to try to make a point is disingenuous at best. Were you politically motivated when you did that or are you just trying to be inflammatory?  Either way, it's not evidence that you'd prefer to have a debate of the issues. 

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9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I guess in your view "many but not all" is the same as saying "most". I bet that most of us (or maybe mammy but not all of us) have better reading comprehension than that. 

I'd say that mischaracterizing the statements of others to try to make a point is disingenuous at best. Were you politically motivated when you did that or are you just trying to be inflammatory?  Either way, it's not evidence that you'd prefer to have a debate of the issues. 

Actually, I simply read it wrong.  I saw "many, if not all".  So, my apologies to the poster.  ****edit****Although, if one has to say "not all", a reasonable conclusion would be that they think "most".  So, I'm actually not apologizing.

Of course, that was the perfect opportunity to attack.  More of the same o disparage and discredit.

My reading comprehension is fine.  Although, I'm lost on what "maybe mammy" means.

What was the purpose of this and many, if not most of your posts directed at me if they aren't meant to be inflammatory?

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