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27 minutes ago, SummerGarden said:

Republicans make up words and place them on Democrats all the time.  For example, "politically correct" was not a word before Republican made it up to shame people for speaking up when a racist or misogynist  acts out against someone in public or is acting foolish at the expense of other human beings.  Identify politics?  Seriously?  Republicans are all about identifying with something hateful, such as Q-Anon, White Nationalist, and lets not forget the racist Tea-Party or MAGA. 

No one has to make anything up about Trump supporters being racist... They are pretty open about being racist.  You are just mad because Republican racist are being called out for what they are and are no longer getting away gas lighting or deflection, which is what you are trying to do.

Ah, another one proves my point....LOL.

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3 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Ah, another one proves my point....LOL.

Again, more deflection and playing the victim.   

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

Not his one line on this.  I said that was one example.  Let me clarify.  Democrats use identity politics.  To stay in power, they have to make half of us racists, and the other half either victims or sympathizers of the victims.

That, is evil.

Give me a break.  Since I made the post you quoted and replied to, literally paragraphs have been written attacking me and my support of Trump.  You're the first one to actually respond to the point I was making.   This discussion certainly shoudnt be about me.  My mention of Waters was in response to one post claiming Trump incited a insurrection.  And, anyway,  me mentioning Waters isn't disbarraging or discrediting anyone, is it?

Trump did incite an insurrection. We saw it happen.  You aren't a good enough gas lighter to convince us that we didn't see and hear what we saw and heard. 

Just to review for you:

There was a violent attack on the Capitol on 010621.  The attack occurred directly after a rally organized and promoted by Trump to elevate a lie about the integrity of the election.  The attack intended to stop the counting and certification of the electoral college vote, the last step in closing a valid election.  There was violence. People died.

The Proud Boys were done standing down and standing by and they were there. How convenient, eh? Oath keepers were there.  They seemed to be communicating with radios. 

Nah...you mentioning Waters is a sad attempt to scapegoat a black woman while projecting that incitement. 

What should we call people who scapegoat blacks and support insurrection on behalf of a corrupt and crazy conman?

 

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6 hours ago, Beerman said:

I was speaking of the Democrats in Washington as that was my response in the context of the post I was replying to.  I wasnt speaking of the general public.   

Fair enough, and that went over my head.    Mainly then you and 50% of the public are victims of unfair judgement from anti-Trump folks and keep saying "see yet, another one proves my point" anytime anyone makes a blanket statement about Trump supporters being supportive of him and his ideas.  

Gotcha.

I can understand that when people see his supporters waving the racist Confederate flag in a Capitol protest why people tend to brand his supporters negatively.  But people that voted for him number 70 million plus, and surely they all can't be racist, but just overlook some of what he does for his other policies.  Democrats have to do that same thing.

I think I can honestly make the same claim that I don't brand the general public of Trump supporters as racist, etc.  I have many times scratched my head in wonder that people didn't clap back against him for his many lies, racist statements, turned the other cheek about paying off a Media star while branding him the answer to all things conservative Christian, etc. etc. and not pick another candidate, and that he still is wielding power and influence when they should throw him out and shut him up.

I am encouraged however that at least now his idea of America First as promoted by Marjorie Taylor Greene with her "America First Caucus" is getting some clap back from Republicans.  There's hope for yet that they can take a good look at themselves and people within their party and understand that this kind of rhetoric lost the election and they should be more inclusive and clarify that "America" means all of us.

 

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5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Trump did incite an insurrection. We saw it happen.  You aren't a good enough gas lighter to convince us that we didn't see and hear what we saw and heard. 

Just to review for you:

There was a violent attack on the Capitol on 010621.  The attack occurred directly after a rally organized and promoted by Trump to elevate a lie about the integrity of the election.  The attack intended to stop the counting and certification of the electoral college vote, the last step in closing a valid election.  There was violence. People died.

The Proud Boys were done standing down and standing by and they were there. How convenient, eh? Oath keepers were there.  They seemed to be communicating with radios. 

Nah...you mentioning Waters is a sad attempt to scapegoat a black woman while projecting that incitement. 

What should we call people who scapegoat blacks and support insurrection on behalf of a corrupt and crazy conman?

 

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10 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

Again, more deflection and playing the victim.   

My entrance into this discussion was me responding to a poster who more then once claimed how he trusted the elected Democrats to make decisions on packing the court and other issues because they are honest and decent people.

I pointed out how those elected Democrats play identity politics to divide us and convince their supporters that the other side is full of racists, mysogimists, anti gay rights people, etc.  

I gave a recent and reoccurring example of how Biden keeps repeating the lie that Georgia's new voting laws are akin to Jim Crow laws.

Pitting citizens against each other using lies is not the work of honest and decent people.

My post was met with several long and detailed posts about Trump and the character flaws of Trump supporters.  Some of those posts were personal attacks on my character.  You flat out said Trump supporters are all racists.

In making these posts, many of you supported my claim that you've all been convinced about how bad the other side is.

Not one person tried to dispute my assertion about the methods the elected Democrats use.  And  except for Tweety, my example of Biden's repeated lie was ignored in all of those posts.

So, who then was doing the deflecting?

When I forego participating in that conversation about the flaws and flaws of Trump supporters, or aiut how I'm a racist, a issue that has nothing to do with my first posts, I'm accused of deflection and playing the victim card. 

I guess you could accurately say I'm deflecting away from discussion you all are using to deflect away from my point.  

 

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43 minutes ago, Beerman said:

My entrance into this discussion was me responding to a poster who more then once claimed how he trusted the elected Democrats to make decisions on packing the court and other issues because they are honest and decent people.

I pointed out how those elected Democrats play identity politics to divide us and convince their supporters that the other side is full of racists, mysogimists, anti gay rights people, etc.  

I gave a recent and reoccurring example of how Biden keeps repeating the lie that Georgia's new voting laws are akin to Jim Crow laws.

Pitting citizens against each other using lies is not the work of honest and decent people.

My post was met with several long and detailed posts about Trump and the character flaws of Trump supporters.  Some of those posts were personal attacks on my character.  You flat out said Trump supporters are all racists.

In making these posts, many of you supported my claim that you've all been convinced about how bad the other side is.

Not one person tried to dispute my assertion about the methods the elected Democrats use.  And  except for Tweety, my example of Biden's repeated lie was ignored in all of those posts.

So, who then was doing the deflecting?

When I forego participating in that conversation about the flaws and flaws of Trump supporters, or aiut how I'm a racist, a issue that has nothing to do with my first posts, I'm accused of deflection and playing the victim card. 

I guess you could accurately say I'm deflecting away from discussion you all are using to deflect away from my point.  

 

I dare you to find one republican except Mitt Romney mostly, who hasn't supported Trump! And I would like you to state the good points about Trump refuting his rapes, thefts, scandals, lies, racism, boorishness, Vanity and bankruptcies etc! 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

My entrance into this discussion was me responding to a poster who more then once claimed how he trusted the elected Democrats to make decisions on packing the court and other issues because they are honest and decent people.

I pointed out how those elected Democrats play identity politics to divide us and convince their supporters that the other side is full of racists, mysogimists, anti gay rights people, etc.  

I gave a recent and reoccurring example of how Biden keeps repeating the lie that Georgia's new voting laws are akin to Jim Crow laws.

Pitting citizens against each other using lies is not the work of honest and decent people.

My post was met with several long and detailed posts about Trump and the character flaws of Trump supporters.  Some of those posts were personal attacks on my character.  You flat out said Trump supporters are all racists.

In making these posts, many of you supported my claim that you've all been convinced about how bad the other side is.

Not one person tried to dispute my assertion about the methods the elected Democrats use.  And  except for Tweety, my example of Biden's repeated lie was ignored in all of those posts.

So, who then was doing the deflecting?

When I forego participating in that conversation about the flaws and flaws of Trump supporters, or aiut how I'm a racist, a issue that has nothing to do with my first posts, I'm accused of deflection and playing the victim card. 

I guess you could accurately say I'm deflecting away from discussion you all are using to deflect away from my point.  

 

Aw

You are some kind of a victim here, aren't you? It's so sad when people put context on your remarks and measure them up against your previous bullcrap detection super powers. 

You maybe should realize that you don't have a critical point to make about Democrats that shouldn't have been made first about Trump.  Trump is the biggest liar.  Trump sought the support of the racists.  Trump said the tiki talkers were very fine people after they chanted about Jews and killed a woman.  Trump incited violence, he said that he would pay legal fees caused by violence early on.  He encouraged police to be unnecessarily physical with those in their custody. Trump and his sycophants even incited a violent insurrection on 010621.

You ignore all of that and much more and then wonder why no one takes you seriously when you are suddenly filled with concern about the language or messaging of others. 

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3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Pitting citizens against each other using lies is not the work of honest and decent people.

Herein lies a huge problem and why I and others night keep bringing up Trump because Trump was the master at this.  He made up things as he went along, told many blatant lies, told America that Democrats hate America and will destroy America. 

Yet when Biden "lies" (which I think he exaggerated at best) all of a sudden it's an about face that honesty and unity matters to you.

Had Trump supporters held Trump accountable for what you are criticizing and found a more honest candidate that was interested in uniting people instead of pitting them against each other perhaps you would sound somewhat sincere and not a victim.  

So no, telling lies and deciding the country is no way to lead.  Why didn't you and your party stop Trump from doing it and why is it now a priority?

But that's the past and not necessarily relevant to a present day discussion how Biden is behaving, just something that doesn't give some conservatives much understanding.

Also, it goes without saying that the Biden agenda is a progressive one and not a conservative one and won't "unite".  I understood this when Trump and congress passed things that they said would help Americans...I know it wouldn't help all.   Some of it is political rhetoric.

All that said, Biden's rhetoric about Jim Crow laws and Maxine Water's statements about strongly protesting racism are a bit over the top and alienating to middle of the road and conservatives and certainly is not uniting.  Biden could have done better at voicing his concerns over the actions in Georgia that are widely seen as racist and unpopular.  

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26 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Herein lies a huge problem and why I and others night keep bringing up Trump because Trump was the master at this.  He made up things as he went along, told many blatant lies, told America that Democrats hate America and will destroy America. 

Yet when Biden "lies" (which I think he exaggerated at best) all of a sudden it's an about face that honesty and unity matters to you.

Had Trump supporters held Trump accountable for what you are criticizing and found a more honest candidate that was interested in uniting people instead of pitting them against each other perhaps you would sound somewhat sincere and not a victim.  

So no, telling lies and deciding the country is no way to lead.  Why didn't you and your party stop Trump from doing it and why is it now a priority?

But that's the past and not necessarily relevant to a present day discussion how Biden is behaving, just something that doesn't give some conservatives much understanding.

Also, it goes without saying that the Biden agenda is a progressive one and not a conservative one and won't "unite".  I understood this when Trump and congress passed things that they said would help Americans...I know it wouldn't help all.   Some of it is political rhetoric.

All that said, Biden's rhetoric about Jim Crow laws and Maxine Water's statements about strongly protesting racism are a bit over the top and alienating to middle of the road and conservatives and certainly is not uniting.  Biden could have done better at voicing his concerns over the actions in Georgia that are widely seen as racist and unpopular.  

Sure. Biden could maybe have done better. Even on his worst day Biden is more coherent and less divisive and dishonest that Trump was on his best days.  Trumpers clearly have zero credibility in judging character of politicians.  

Shrugs. 

 

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40 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Sure. Biden could maybe have done better. Even on his worst day Biden is more coherent and less divisive and dishonest that Trump was on his best days.  Trumpers clearly have zero credibility in judging character of politicians.  

Shrugs. 

 

I agree.  Beerman shouldn't be surprised when he gets clap back for criticizing Biden for what people turned a blind eye to when it was Trump.

I would like to move on and just talk about Biden, but Trump isn't going to go away he's going to campaign for Republicans and try to stay relevant. 

By the same token we shouldn't turn a blind eye to what Biden does that violates similar principles.  In this case I wouldn't call it "lying" but he was offering how he felt about the situation.  

But fact checking Biden is easy.  He's wrong about some things but by this time Trump was off the chain.  Most of Biden's false claims came when he was campaigning not so much as President.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=joe-biden

https://www.bbc.com/news/56039528

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Herein lies a huge problem and why I and others night keep bringing up Trump because Trump was the master at this.  He made up things as he went along, told many blatant lies, told America that Democrats hate America and will destroy America. 

Yet when Biden "lies" (which I think he exaggerated at best) all of a sudden it's an about face that honesty and unity matters to you.

Had Trump supporters held Trump accountable for what you are criticizing and found a more honest candidate that was interested in uniting people instead of pitting them against each other perhaps you would sound somewhat sincere and not a victim.  

So no, telling lies and deciding the country is no way to lead.  Why didn't you and your party stop Trump from doing it and why is it now a priority?

But that's the past and not necessarily relevant to a present day discussion how Biden is behaving, just something that doesn't give some conservatives much understanding.

Also, it goes without saying that the Biden agenda is a progressive one and not a conservative one and won't "unite".  I understood this when Trump and congress passed things that they said would help Americans...I know it wouldn't help all.   Some of it is political rhetoric.

All that said, Biden's rhetoric about Jim Crow laws and Maxine Water's statements about strongly protesting racism are a bit over the top and alienating to middle of the road and conservatives and certainly is not uniting.  Biden could have done better at voicing his concerns over the actions in Georgia that are widely seen as racist and unpopular.  

Once again, my post was in response to someone who claimed multiple times how elected Democrats are decent and honest people, and thus can be trusted to make decisions on certain issues.

My example was just one of how they are not.  You can argue against that one example, which you were the only who has.

Everyone else went into deflection mode and went into great detail on how bad Trump, his supporters, Republicans,  etc. are.  Which, even if all of it is true, does nothing to change the fact that elected Democrats are not simply honest and decent people and should not be trusted.

What Trump and his supporters are like has nothing to do with how bad elected Democrats are.

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