I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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21 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I'm sure it sounds condescending but it is a quiet acknowledgement that I hear you and acknowledge you. But I can't tell you how to interpret it.
Cancel culture got me thinking about the Million Moms and what they are up to. They are Boycotting Scoby Do because one of the characters is a lesbian.
Conservatives have been engaged in attempting to "cancel" things most of my adult life. It's pretty hypocritical of Conservatives to project that tendency onto others.
I'm sure it sounds condescending but it is a quiet acknowledgement that I hear you and acknowledge you
Yes, it does sound condescending. But, I'll try and remember that next time.
38 minutes ago, Tweety said:
But I can't tell you how to interpret it.
You're funny.
40 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Cancel culture got me thinking about the Million Moms and what they are up to. They are Boycotting Scoby Do because one of the characters is a lesbian.
Also some show I never heard of on Disney.
I think boycotts in general are dumb. As far as Scooby Do goes, not sure why the sexual orientation of the charactors is a thing. I didn't give that a thought back when I watched it. The fact that we know one is a lesbian sounds like the creators are trying to show how woke they are. Anyway, I'd simply choose to not have my kid watch if I had a issue with it.
Does anyone remember the Dixie Chicks and how they were cancelled? Radio stations wouldn’t play their music and country music enthusiasts boycotted them.
That was bit of a different thing.
While I said I generally don't pay attention to the politics of entertainers, it does turn me off when they throw it in my face. I don't care what their opinion is and that isn't why I go to see them. What was the purpose of them going on stage and saying what they said?
I will say, the consequences may have been overly severe. At the same time, they said what they did and and ramped it up by saying they didn't need those fans. So...
Well said. I didn't think of that. My best friend sometimes says when we talk about right wing stuff "how is this happening in a country that elected Obama"...when the truth might be it's because we elected Obama.
Maybe so. Maybe because whenever Obama or his policies were criticized, it wasn't because it they bad, it was because he was black.
Even today, a poster up above says that Republicans were angry because "because a black president wanted to provide affordable health care access to all".
The truth is, everyone wants affordable health care for all. Conservatives may have disagreed on how it was to be done, or even angry. It had nothing to do with him being black.
So, yes. Four years of being of being labeled racist made conservatives angry and divisive. And, then the continued Democrat narrative of everyone is a victim....gays, women, minorities trans, etc are all victims of conservatives and their ideology. That also fuels anger and division.
You are right. It all may have started with Obama being elected.
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16 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Maybe so. Maybe because whenever Obama or his policies were criticized, it wasn't because it they bad, it was because he was black.
Even today, a poster up above says that Republicans were angry because "because a black president wanted to provide affordable health care access to all".
The truth is, everyone wants affordable health care for all. Conservatives may have disagreed on how it was to be done, or even angry. It had nothing to do with him being black.
So, yes. Four years of being of being labeled racist made conservatives angry and divisive. And, then the continued Democrat narrative of everyone is a victim....gays, women, minorities trans, etc are all victims of conservatives and their ideology. That also fuels anger and division.
You are right. It all may have started with Obama being elected.
Yes, I was the member who said that and I stand by it. Lots of conservatives want to ignore the racist undertones of the birther lies about Obama or the comparison of the First Lady to an ape but that doesn't erase those things... they happened.
Yes, Republicans killed the proposal for single payor and then tried to kill the ACA which had its framework drawn from a republican policy that Romney enacted while governor. They wasted time every year they could on votes to repeal that legislation even though they STILL don't have a plan to replace it and they knew that Obama would veto it. Republicans nicknamed the legislation after the 44th president in order to demonize it with lies and misrepresentations. They were so successful that millions of people had no idea what the ACA actually did or how it improved access for 10s of millions of people and slowed price/ cost increases. Propaganda works.
Yes, too many conservatives were inflamed by having a black family in the white house and racist activity increased... membership in racist groups spiked. No one likes to be identified as a racist but that doesn't mean that everyone else should ignore their racism and spare their feelings. Racism is divisive.
You do recall that Trump was the fellow who told his rally crowd that they were all victims as he perpetually claims victimhood himself, don't you? Of course, Trump isn't a victim of anything, he simply doesn't care for any type of accountability or criticism in his incredibly privileged life. So he whines about being a victim.
Meanwhile, conservative preference is to exclude gays from marriage, to prevent trans folk from accessing health care and interfere in women's private and personal reproductive health choices. Your content seems to suggest that you don't believe that conservative policy and ideology doesn't negatively impact those groups.
Conservatives are angry and agitated because the bulk of their preferred media is designed to keep them angry and agitated. That media includes things from the ridiculous (litter boxes for cat kids), to the racist (CRT nonsense in the schools), straight up conspiracy theory or fabrications like the notion that our 2020 election was insecure. I've pointed out before that conservative media promotes the idea that liberals Americans HATE pretty much everything conservative and this focus on hate gives those conditioned conservatives permission to hate liberals in response.
Yes, too many conservatives were inflamed by having a black family in the white house and racist activity increased... membership in racist groups spiked. No one likes to be identified as a racist but that doesn't mean that everyone else should ignore their racism and spare their feelings. Racism is divisive.
Our recent analysis of several indicators of racial resentment before and during the Obama administration provides evidence that racial resentment decreased among the majority of white Americans during Obama's presidency. Republicans were the only political group who did not decrease in racial resentment -- but they did not increase significantly either.
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Then, further down the article we see this:
Where exactly, based on the data in the article you provided, do you see this membership spike in racist groups you mentioned?
Where exactly, based on the data in the article you provided, do you see this membership spike in racist groups you mentioned?
Maybe not in the article he provided but it seems to me it was widely reported hate groups rose after his election, although one article shows that they began to drop after rising. But to be fair, the publication by the Southern Poverty Law Center shows them on the rise before Obama but that they kept rising after.
Ironically it seemed to slow down after Trump was elected.
Maybe so. Maybe because whenever Obama or his policies were criticized, it wasn't because it they bad, it was because he was black.
Even today, a poster up above says that Republicans were angry because "because a black president wanted to provide affordable health care access to all".
The truth is, everyone wants affordable health care for all. Conservatives may have disagreed on how it was to be done, or even angry. It had nothing to do with him being black.
So, yes. Four years of being of being labeled racist made conservatives angry and divisive. And, then the continued Democrat narrative of everyone is a victim....gays, women, minorities trans, etc are all victims of conservatives and their ideology. That also fuels anger and division.
You are right. It all may have started with Obama being elected.
Fair enough and I think people threw out the race card a bit much.
But I don't buy into the idea that four years of being labeled caused them to be divisive and angry. They were angry from the get go and weren't shy about expressing any opposition to Obama even if some people called him racist. The immediate rise of the Tea Party is testament to that. I understand their opposition wasn't racially motivated in most cases but it was harsh. Obamacare and "stimulus" became dirty words.
Laying the blame for divisiveness at Obama's feet and his supporters alone doesn't ring true to me. Both parties were involved.
...The top domestic terrorism threat we face continues to be from DVEs we categorize as racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists (RMVEs), including those who advocate for the superiority of the white race, who were the primary source of lethal attacks perpetrated by DVEs in recent years. It is important to note that we have also recently seen an increase in fatal DVE attacks perpetrated by anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists, specifically militia violent extremists and anarchist violent extremists. Anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists were responsible for three of the four lethal DVE attacks in 2020. Also, in 2020, we saw the first lethal attack committed by an anarchist violent extremist in over 20 years. These anti-government or anti-authority violent extremists have specifically targeted law enforcement and the military as well as institutions or members of the U.S. government....
The number of FBI investigations of suspected DVEs has more than doubled since the Spring of 2020. In January, we marked the one-year anniversary of the January 6 siege of the U.S. Capitol, which has led to unprecedented efforts by the Department of Justice, including the FBI, to investigate and hold accountable all who engaged in violence, destruction of property, and other criminal activity on that day. To date, the department has arrested and charged more than 850 individuals who took part in the Capitol siege.
But I don't buy into the idea that four years of being labeled caused them to be divisive and angry. They were angry from the get go and weren't shy about expressing any opposition to Obama even if some people called him racist.
Well, I can tell you first-hand I wasn't angry at the get go that a black man was elected.
But, became so quickly for the reasons I stated and nothing to do with his race. I saw Obama on TV at a campaign stop today spewing out about how conservatives solely are the cause of division in our country. I was never a fan of his, but over time have grown to truly despise the man. It has nothing to do with him being black.
32 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Laying the blame for divisiveness at Obama's feet and his supporters alone doesn't ring true to me. Both parties were involved.
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8 hours ago, chare said:
From your article:
Then, further down the article we see this:
Where exactly, based on the data in the article you provided, do you see this membership spike in racist groups you mentioned?
I've didn't get that from the article posted. I know that from other reading. The FBI director mentioned it in a hearing during the previous administration.
I misstated, the FBI noted that white supremacy or white nationalist group's group's increased during Trump's administration. At the same time race based violence increased.
“White supremacist groups have historically engaged in strategic efforts to infiltrate and recruit from law enforcement,” said an FBI document released by a congressional committee in September, about four months before the Capitol riots. In the intelligence assessment, written in 2006, the FBI said some in law enforcement were volunteering “professional resources to white supremacist causes with which they sympathize.”
We know after January 6 that the recruitment of military and law enforcement into violent and racist groups was successful.
While we're answering each others questions, I'm still wondering what it was about the Obama speech that you referenced was unbecoming a former president or that you felt was too divisive or should be condemned. You haven't specified why that speech should be criticized by liberals.
Donald Trump Jr., the former president’s son, continues to post jokes about it.
Dinesh D’Souza, the creator of a discredited film about the 2020 election called “2000 Mules,” accused the San Francisco Police Department on Monday of covering up the facts.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia, wrote that the “same mainstream media democrat activists” who questioned former President Donald J. Trump’s ties to Russia were now silencing the new owner of Twitter, Elon Musk.
The reason: Mr. Musk deleted a post linking to a newspaper that once claimed Hillary Rodham Clinton was dead when she ran for president in 2016.
In the days since Paul Pelosi, the 82-year-old husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was attacked by an intruder asking, “Where is Nancy?”, a litany of Republicans and conservatives have spread baseless conspiracy theories about the assault and its motives.
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No top Republican lawmakers joined in peddling unfounded claims about the attack, but few denounced them, either. Mrs. Clinton, the former first lady and senator who lost to Mr. Trump in 2016, pointedly blamed the party for spreading “hate and deranged conspiracy theories.”
“It is shocking, but not surprising, that violence is the result,” she wrote on Twitter on Saturday. “As citizens, we must hold them accountable for their words and the actions that follow.”
It was her post that prompted Mr. Musk, Twitter’s owner since last Thursday night, to insinuate that an alternate version of the assault was possible. “There is a tiny possibility there might be more to this story than meets the eye,” he replied directly to Mrs. Clinton.
Mr. Musk linked to an opinion piece from the Santa Monica Observer, a website known to publish falsehoods, which offered an alternative account of what led to the attack on Mr. Pelosi. Relying on an anonymous source and providing no evidence, the article claimed that the attacker was a male prostitute.
Smart guy, eh?
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The story also indicated that the attacker was found by the police wearing only his underwear, a detail that was originally published by a Fox affiliate before getting widely circulated in right-wing communities online. The affiliate later removed the detail and appended a correction, saying the article “misstated what clothing the suspect was wearing.”
A spokeswoman for Fox Television Stations said the story was corrected within about two hours.
That change prompted a new round of baseless theories, with some right-wing Americans claiming a cover-up.
“New day, new narrative,” Tricia Flanagan, a former Republican primary candidate for New Jersey’s 4th Congressional District, tweeted to her 70,000 followers.
Musk got the cult spinning with speculation and theories, though.
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Mr. DePape’s equipment — and his demand to know “Where’s Nancy?” — suggested a premeditated assault, which would undercut the counterfactual versions being spread online.
Even so, the conspiracy theories found receptive audiences, receiving tens of thousands of engagements on numerous platforms like facebook and Twitter, and other platforms that have built smaller, though politically active, audiences.
Charlie Kirk, the conservative radio and Youtube host, expressed hope on Monday that some “amazing patriot” would post bail for Mr. DePape and become a “midterm hero.” “Bail him out and then go ask him some questions,” he said, adding that liberals were trying to politicize the attack.
Mr. Carusone noted that Fox’s coverage shifted over the weekend, much as it did after the 2020 election, when the network initially reported the outcome accurately only to later give credence to the false claims by Mr. Trump and others that the vote was somehow fraudulent.
Right wing media is filling the hearts of conservative consumers with dangerous garbage.
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Conservatives have been engaged in attempting to "cancel" things most of my adult life. It's pretty hypocritical of Conservatives to project that tendency onto others.