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I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news.  I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.

https://apnews.com/article/new-jersey-newark-bomb-threats-d0a59b80d460f9354f6bfe86f65475c6

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According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.

Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.

The arrested the guy the next day. 

What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there. 

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Beerman said:

I'm not talking about locals arresting and deporting.  Our Border Patrol can arrest and detain.  Right now, under the Biden DHS, they are mostly arresting, processing, and setting free into the interior of the US.

ICE can arrest, detain, and deport.  As mentioned in the article, "sanctuary cities" have passed local laws prohibiting their local law enforcement from turning over criminals to ICE.

Actually, Democrats before he became president, such as those who passed "sanctuary city" laws, are mostly to blame.  And then he threw gasoline onto the dumpster fire they created and he has shown little interest in putting it out.

Here in Denver, we didn't have scores of Venezuelans until the past few years.  There was Venezuelan man in the article said he came because he said he heard from friends that Denver was friendly to immigrants?  That's ALL on Democrats.

 

 

Can you offer any proof that an immigrant hearing something about Denver and immigrant friendly policy is ALL on Democrats? It sure does seem to me that that loudest and most repeated messaging about our southern border is not the Democrat message. Maybe what you are saying is that it's all Democrats fault that foreigners know some states are friendlier to immigrants than others.  It stands to reason that immigrants might choose sanctuary states like Colorado.  We could have a discussion about "sanctuary" policies. 

About that fire that you contend Biden doesn't want to put out, he said he would sign the bipartisan legislation that came out of the Senate committee. Using a legislative fire hose like that certainly conveys more interest in putting out a fire than does using a bucket brigade of executive orders.  IMV 

Once upon a time, the Republican Party was a political party of grand ideas.  Those days are in the past, I'm afraid.  We need a new political party of conservative ideas to rise up after Trump loses again in November.  

 

toomuchbaloney said:

Can you offer any proof that an immigrant hearing something about Denver and immigrant friendly policy is ALL on Democrats? It sure does seem to me that that loudest and most repeated messaging about our southern border is not the Democrat message. Maybe what you are saying is that it's all Democrats fault that foreigners know some states are friendlier to immigrants than others.  It stands to reason that immigrants might choose sanctuary states like Colorado.  We could have a discussion about "sanctuary" policies. 

Yes, it does stand to reason immigrants would choose sanctuary states.  They are not only friendly to immigrants, but to non citizen immigrants who have arrived illegally, non citizen immigrants with illegitimate asylum claims, and to non citizen immigrants who have committed crimes while they are here.   Can we stipulate to the fact that sanctuary cities are a Democrat thing?  Do I really need to provide proof?

You want to discuss sanctuary city policies?  Let's start with them not cooperating with ICE.  Why do you believe that is or isn't a good policy?  

 

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https://www.newsweek.com/republican-infected-russian-propaganda-michael-mccaul-ukraine-aid-package-1886742

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"I think Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it's infected a good chunk of my party's base," House Foreign Affairs Committee chair and Texas Republican, Michael McCaul, told Puck News.

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"I have to explain to them what's at stake, why Ukraine is in our national security interest," McCaul said. Should Ukraine fall, the Kremlin will turn to neighboring nations like Moldova and Georgia, and then look to the Baltic region on NATO's eastern flank, he said. "So I just think it's preventative."

Senator Ron Johnson repeated Russian propaganda during the Trump administration during a hearing.  Now House Republicans are committed to Russian propaganda in their Biden impeachment efforts, their slow walking Ukrainian aid and other social or political issues. 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-election-trump-immigration-disinformation-tiktok-YouTube-ce518c6cd101048f896025179ef19997

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Beerman said:

Yes, it does stand to reason immigrants would choose sanctuary states.  They are not only friendly to immigrants, but to non citizen immigrants who have arrived illegally, non citizen immigrants with illegitimate asylum claims, and to non citizen immigrants who have committed crimes while they are here.   Can we stipulate to the fact that sanctuary cities are a Democrat thing?  Do I really need to provide proof?

You want to discuss sanctuary city policies?  Let's start with them not cooperating with ICE.  Why do you believe that is or isn't a good policy?  

 

Clearly, progressive and liberal Americans have forwarded the idea of sanctuary states and cities.  Do you have evidence that sanctuary states and cities are friendly to law breaking immigrants? Has Denver described itself as a sanctuary city or do they just have immigrant supporting policy? I know quite a number of recent immigrants living in the Denver area. 

I don't recall saying or contending that sanctuary cities or states shouldn't cooperate with ICE when dealing with violent criminals, so it would be hard for me to make an argument to defend that.  The federal government reimburses the cost of detention of those violent criminals until they are transferred to a federal facility on the federal dime, that makes it reasonable for the detention to occur without affecting the local budget.  I don't agree that cooperation extends to all public interactions with law enforcement.  State and local police shouldn't be adding citizenship checks to their duties, IMHO.

Maybe you could share your opinions, too, if we are going to have a discussion. 

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https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/investor-company-that-took-trump-media-public-pleads-guilty-insider-trading-2024-04-03/

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After hearing the company was in merger talks with TMTG, prosecutors said the trio tipped others and bought Digital World securities, selling them after the deal was announced on Oct. 20, 2021, to make a total of $22 million in illegal profit.

Michael and Gerald Shvartsman said in court that they knew what they were doing was wrong when they traded on nonpublic information.

"I've made a terrible mistake," Gerald Shvartsman said at the hearing.

Maybe a couple years in confinement will help him remember to not break laws in the future.  

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Being a "sanctuary city" means different things in different places, but in Philadelphia, a major aspect is that local police officers do not help ICE round up, arrest, and remove undocumented immigrants. City officials say that's the job of the federal government.

Philly's Immigration Policies

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Philadelphia and other cities were still required by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to certify that we comply with a provision related to federal law, 8 U.S.C. Section 1373, in order to receive certain federal criminal justice grants. On June 22, 2017, the City sent a letter to the DOJ certifying that our current policies are in compliance with Section 1373. Section 1373 says that a city may not prohibit its employees from sharing information to ICE about people's immigration and citizenship status. Since law enforcement and other City officials generally are not permitted to collect immigration information from residents, there is no information to provide to ICE. Our policies do not prohibit information sharing with respect to criminal suspects, which is all that Section 1373 can lawfully be read to address.

Sanctuary cities 101: Why they matter and how Philly came to be one
 

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This doesn't mean that they are totally non-cooperative with the federal government's customs enforcement efforts. According to a statement by Philadelphia's Office of Immigrant Affairs (OIA), the city "works with our federal partners on anti-terrorism and drug trafficking,” and it does not "stop ICE from arresting Philadelphians whom they believe are undocumented.”

However, sanctuary cities believe that local police should not be required to do the work of federal agencies, or share information that could be harmful to residents of their cities....

While ICE has the funding and the federal mandate to arrest and detain individuals for crimes related to immigration, most people are first detained by local authorities. When someone is brought into custody and ICE wants to interrogate them or pursue further action, they may issue a "detainer" asking the local authorities to hold the person in custody longer.

While many jurisdictions comply with these detainers, sanctuary cities have challenged them, and have found a legal basis to do so: The Immigration Legal Resource Center reports that because a detainer is not a legal warrant, federal courts in both Pennsylvania and Oregon have determined that holding someone in custody with an ICE detainer alone is unlawful arrest...

According to Philly's OIA, the city's sanctuary policies uphold the American value of treating all people equally and fairly: "Blaming an entire group of people for our country's problems and violating their right to due process isn't constitutional and it isn't American. Philadelphia treats immigrants as we would any other resident under our criminal justice system.”

Regarding Denver representative informing newly arriving immigrants that limited jobs and offering travel voucher to another city, there are 310 cities with population over 100,000.  These 9 Places Giving Away Land or Money To Move There  7 in the U.S.  Offering assistance to be able to move to be with family or welcoming area, nothing wrong in my eyes.

I'm a second generation on maternal side so have lived the "American dream".  Grandmom born in Poland with parents farming in PA upon moving here - 6th grade education.  Mother first to graduate High school while I'm first to graduate college.  Fathers side: 3rd  generation late 1890's PA coal miners.  Pop-Pop worked in locomotive shop prior becoming tool and die maker while my dad started out at Philadelphia Electric gas division digging ditches rose to become gas division Supervisor.   Wanting to work to be able to support  oneself in US or even send money "back home" been the American way for centuries.

Prosecuting People for Coming to the United States

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Operation Streamline

Most entry-related prosecutions flow from a partnership between the Department of Justice (DOJ) and DHS called "Operation Streamline.” DHS and DOJ initiated Operation Streamline in the Del Rio Sector (in and near El Paso, Texas) in 2005. It is now in place in different forms in jurisdictions along the Southwest border....

Migrants who arrive at the U.S. border without proper documentation can be, and often are, subjected to fast-track deportation processes called "expedited removal" or "reinstatement of removal.” In each instance, however, the law requires that these individuals receive a preliminary screening interview with an asylum officer if they express a fear of persecution in their country of origin.

Yet along the Southwest border, the government nonetheless subjects individuals fleeing persecution and torture to criminal proceedings under Operation Streamline. This practice violates international law. The United States is a party to the 1951 Refugee Convention, which precludes nations from penalizing individuals requesting protection from persecution or torture in their country of origin. In 2015, the DHS Inspector General noted that the prosecution of those "who express fear of persecution or return to their home countries" under Operation Streamline was "inconsistent with and may violate U.S. treaty obligations.

 

Stanford 7/2023  The mythical tie between immigration and crime

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Opponents of immigration often argue that immigrants drive up crime rates. But newly released research from Stanford economist Ran Abramitzky and his co-authors finds that hasn't been the case in America for the last 140 years.

The study reveals that first-generation immigrants have not been more likely to be imprisoned than people born in the United States since 1880....

Today, immigrants are 30 percent less likely to be incarcerated than are U.S.-born who are white, the study finds. And when the analysis is expanded to include Black Americans — whose prison rates are higher than the general population — the likelihood of an immigrant being incarcerated is 60 percent lower than of people born in the United States. ...

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I don't think it was the fact she wasn't wearing a bra, but that her shirt was revealing.  This has long been a female point of contention with society the so-called "free the nipple" movement.  But I'm sure the trauma of it all will garner her a few million dollars.

NRSKarenRN said:

Being a "sanctuary city" means different things in different places, but in Philadelphia, a major aspect is that local police officers do not help ICE round up, arrest, and remove undocumented immigrants. City officials say that's the job of the federal government.

I agree.

I don't agree that cities should limit the amount of information they share with ICE on those that they have arrested and are in custody.  Law enforcement shares information with other agencies all the time.  Why not ICE?

NRSKarenRN said:

Denver representative informing newly arriving immigrants that limited jobs and offering travel voucher to another city, there are 310 cities with population over 100,000These 9 Places Giving Away Land or Money To Move There  7 in the U.S.  Offering assistance to be able to move to be with family or welcoming area, nothing wrong in my eyes.

Those cities offering assistance want people who are self sufficient and have requirements such as they must purchase a home.

Those cities with 100,000 don't have unlimited resources.  You want a bigger and brighter welcome sign until all our cities are overburdened by illegal immigrants?

NRSKarenRN said:

a second generation on maternal side so have lived the "American dream".  Grandmom born in Poland with parents farming in PA upon moving here - 6th grade education.  Mother first to graduate High school while I'm first to graduate college.  Fathers side: 3rd  generation late 1890's PA coal miners.  Pop-Pop worked in locomotive shop prior becoming tool and die maker while my dad started out at Philadelphia Electric gas division digging ditches rose to become gas division Supervisor.   Wanting to work to be able to support  oneself in US or even send money "back home" been the American way for centuries.

I'm not anti immigrant.  I'm against being soft on illegal immigration, and against unlimited immigration.

Your family sounds like they came legally. 

Operation Streamline ended a decade ago.  And Biden rescinded a similar Trump policy.  And, chaos at the border has grown exponentially since.   

Your article on the merits of sanctuary cities is also years old.  And, chaos at the border has grown exponentially since. 

Not coincidentally,  sanctuary cities are trying to distance themselves from that term.  Our very liberal Governor of Colorado, who many think has presidential aspirations,  says we aren't a sanctuary state and we don't have sanctuary cities.   Philadelphia claims they are not a sanctuary city, but a "welcoming city".  

 

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Tweety said:

I don't think it was the fact she wasn't wearing a bra, but that her shirt was revealing.  This has long been a female point of contention with society the so-called "free the nipple" movement.  But I'm sure the trauma of it all will garner her a few million dollars.

What was it revealing? It could only have been revealing nipples or the shape of an unrestrained breast.  This is so ridiculous.  

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Beerman said:

I agree.

I don't agree that cities should limit the amount of information they share with ICE on those that they have arrested and are in custody.  Law enforcement shares information with other agencies all the time.  Why not ICE?

Those cities offering assistance want people who are self sufficient and have requirements such as they must purchase a home.

Those cities with 100,000 don't have unlimited resources.  You want a bigger and brighter welcome sign until all our cities are overburdened by illegal immigrants?

I'm not anti immigrant.  I'm against being soft on illegal immigration, and against unlimited immigration.

Your family sounds like they came legally. 

Operation Streamline ended a decade ago.  And Biden rescinded a similar Trump policy.  And, chaos at the border has grown exponentially since.   

Your article on the merits of sanctuary cities is also years old.  And, chaos at the border has grown exponentially since. 

Not coincidentally,  sanctuary cities are trying to distance themselves from that term.  Our very liberal Governor of Colorado, who many think has presidential aspirations,  says we aren't a sanctuary state and we don't have sanctuary cities.   Philadelphia claims they are not a sanctuary city, but a "welcoming city".  

 

This is just another example of state's rights. States have the right to not check citizenship of everyone in the population. They don't have to check citizenship to issue a permit for a small business.  They don't have to check citizenship of the people in the ER or clinic.  Most sanctuary communities want evidence of some violent crime or felony behavior before they turn over to ICE a member of their community who made a mistake.  

No cities or communities have unlimited resources, but they could have better resources.  One political party is obstructing the idea of legislating meaningful immigration reform simply because it is an election year.  

It is our asylum and immigration law that is chaotic.  It is our border policy that is chaotic; outdated and dependent upon fickle executive orders. Talking about chaos at the border, there were still nearly 1000 migrant children, separated from family during Trump's presidency, who still had not been reunited with family this time last year.  

"Soft on illegal immigration" versus "soft on misdemeanors" like DUI, shoplifting or the like? Most people in the USA in the undocumented immigrant community are not criminals.  Most of them are working and paying taxes.  

Sanctuary city is a label.  Welcoming is a nice word.  I like welcoming cities and communities.  Churches and temples are the sanctuaries, IMV.

toomuchbaloney said:

is just another example of state's rights. States have the right to not check citizenship of everyone in the population. They don't have to check citizenship to issue a permit for a small business.  They don't have to check citizenship of the people in the ER or clinic.  Most sanctuary communities want evidence of some violent crime or felony behavior before they turn over to ICE a member of their community who made a mistake.  

You and @NRSKarenRN in order to make your point seem to want to group together ILLEGAL  immigrants and those who are here lawfully. Maybe there is no distinction in your view?

toomuchbaloney said:

No cities or communities have unlimited resources, but they could have better resources.  One political party is obstructing the idea of legislating meaningful immigration reform simply because it is an election year

No.  The point is cities shouldn't have to spend all these resources on ILLEGAL immigrants. 

Immigration reform is a seperate issue.

What doesn't make sense about detaining those caught entering illegally?  I asked that question a few days ago, and no one has ansewered.  And, per our laws we can detain asylum seekers as well.  Maybe we should be detaining more of that group.

Right now most are being processed and set free into the US.  Remember when you used to see video footage of illegals entering and trying to hide or escape from the Border Patrol?  Now,  they surrender voluntarily.  Seems like detainment would dim our welcome sign quite a bit.

toomuchbaloney said:

It is our asylum and immigration law that is chaotic.  It is our border policy that is chaotic; outdated and dependent upon fickle executive orders. Talking about chaos at the border, there were still nearly 1000 migrant children, separated from family during Trump's presidency, who still had not been reunited with family this time last year.  

There isn't anything chaotic about our laws when it comes to what happens to those caught entering illegally.  The chaos has resulted from not following the law,  and instead welcoming illegal immigrants and those with bogus asylum claims into the country.

The children being separated and then not reunited was a major mess up.  I'm all in for doing it better and making sure it doesn't happen again.  

Speaking of chaos, btw, going back to the Trump years in these threads and maybe further back, I said a few times that elected Democrats actually want chaos when it comes to the border.  It seems we have plenty of evidence in the Biden years to back up my claim.

toomuchbaloney said:

"Soft on illegal immigration" versus "soft on misdemeanors" like DUI, shoplifting or the like? Most people in the USA in the undocumented immigrant community are not criminals.  Most of them are working and paying taxes.  

100% of those who entered illegally are criminals. 

toomuchbaloney said:

Sanctuary city is a label.  Welcoming is a nice word.  I like welcoming cities and communities.  Churches and temples are the sanctuaries, IMV

The point is they once were proud to call themselves sanctuary cities.  Now, for obvious reasons, they are trying to fool the public and shed that term.

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