I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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Roitrn said:
What I will say is that it is unfortunate that some conservatives have used the word and made it a negative thing. No, the democrats have not used it in the same purgitive way. They have used it as a collective term. If you are not "woke" then your racist or add whatever derogatory term. A form of othering. Not of the true intent of the word and not taking into account that some may agree with the ideas of "woke" , in its new but loosely defined way. I think most democrats and conservatives value seeing and being aware of racist injustices. As the original meaning of the word.
I choose to not further disrespect the true meaning of the word so to use your words, " I'm not playing that game". Especially when it's disrespectful to the people who fought for civil right in this country.
There have been many assumptions made on this thread so I didn't think that would be a problem. It's safe to say the odds are you are not a conservative. Or republican.
Of course you cannot agree with "symmetry ". Your many post demonstrate a vast decline to even consider any fault by yourself or your preferred political party and media. From not being able to admit to making a mistake I used a word I didn't, I.e "woke" to admitting you at least watched CNN onet ime. Because you posted a video played on CNN.
I can appreciate your story about your friend. What I don't appreciate is you using the tragedy in order to some how emotionally silence me into replying with anything but your point of view. Using emotion to make a point on a online forum. And then repeatedly make comments about others "emotions and feelings".
I'm asking you to give me examples. In the absence of examples of this use of the word by liberal politicians I'm going to suggest that your beliefs were fed by right wing messaging that isn't demonstrated in real events.
Show me examples of the "othering" and we can compare and contrast.
"Further disrespect the true meaning of the word"...I find that disingenuous. Just like your disingenuous roitrn to the argumentative CNN fixation that you keep returning to. Now you are incorrectly suggesting that I couldn't even admit to watching CNN one time. It's as if you are incapable of understanding that reviewing or citing a CNN video clip is not the same thing as watching CNN to inform oneself that's on you. That shortage of deductive reasoning or abundance of belligerence is unfortunate and stifles discussion.
Oh well... you don't appreciate my story telling...I guess we all needed to know that.
When conservative folks today can't support their opinions with something of substance there is good likelihood that the opinions or beliefs are based on feelings and emotional response to right wing misrepresentations, hyperbole or out right lies and propaganda. That's the unfortunate reality of right wing media in the era of Trump.
I admit flaws and shortcomings of liberal politicians, but, in this current conversation you haven't provided anything to admit to even though you've made some generalized claims of exploitation on both sides. Give me examples. Let's compare and contrast.
You used the word purgative in your post above. What does a laxative have to do with the word "woke". I'm confused if the meaning of woke is the "it" in previous posts.
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NRSKarenRN said:
Wish more airtime given to the Principals First Summit: "A grassroots effort to rediscover and champion principles in the 21st century" occurring this weekend in D.C.
Lots of people speaking that fill cable news and TV political shows: John Bolton, Officer Harry Dunn, Gov. Larry Hogan, Bill Kristol, Hon. J. Michael Luttig Esq., Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling and Charlie Sykes, The Bulwark. I was thinking of attending as $45 for 3 day event a bargain, but having dental surgery with bone graft Tuesday, thought better to stay away from large gathering,
This sounds like an interesting event. I have a question about this part:
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2023 Agenda
The 2023 Summit's theme is Preserving American Institutions -- Enduring institutions like the courts, capitalism, our education system, and free and fair elections are under attack from post-liberals. We are here to defend Madison's vision and all of our sessions will be focused on the wisdom of classical liberalism. We are bringing together principled thinkers from the academy, elected members of Congress, and our sharpest thought leaders from across country over three days to discuss these current challenges facing the United States and the conservative movement and to articulate the principles that ought to shape both.
Post-liberals and classical liberalism. Isn't all of this post-liberal?
You used the word purgative in your post above. What does a laxative have to do with the word "woke". I'm confused if the meaning of woke is the "it" in previous posts.
I'm asking you to give me examples. In the absence of examples of this use of the word by liberal politicians I'm going to suggest that your beliefs were fed by right wing messaging that isn't demonstrated in real events.
Show me examples of the "othering" and we can compare and contrast.
"Further disrespect the true meaning of the word"...I find that disingenuous. Just like your disingenuous roitrn to the argumentative CNN fixation that you keep returning to. Now you are incorrectly suggesting that I couldn't even admit to watching CNN one time. It's as if you are incapable of understanding that reviewing or citing a CNN video clip is not the same thing as watching CNN to inform oneself that's on you. That shortage of deductive reasoning or abundance of belligerence is unfortunate and stifles discussion.
Oh well... you don't appreciate my story telling...I guess we all needed to know that.
When conservative folks today can't support their opinions with something of substance there is good likelihood that the opinions or beliefs are based on feelings and emotional response to right wing misrepresentations, hyperbole or out right lies and propaganda. That's the unfortunate reality of right wing media in the era of Trump.
I admit flaws and shortcomings of liberal politicians, but, in this current conversation you haven't provided anything to admit to even though you've made some generalized claims of exploitation on both sides. Give me examples. Let's compare and contrast.
You can assume and believe whatever you wish.
No. It's nit disingenuous at all. It's disrespectful to the original meaning for it to be used by any political party in present time. IMO.
You seem hyper-intent to establish you do not watch CNN. How were you able to watch a video, on CNN without actually watching it? It's all good. I watch it sometimes when I want to laugh at the ridiculous things they come up with. However now that Trump is gone their ratings have dropped. I just don't consider it a a good media platform. I definitely wouldn't cite a video as a source and expect it to be taking seriously. Much th same way ypu would never cite Fox.
Why did you bring the word "woke" up? You still haven't explained why in the middle of an unrelated discussion and during story time, you decided to mention it? Do you feel that your friends parents were not "woke" and that led to the suicide?
Mayor Adam's, a Democrat seems to view "woke" as less than positive. Even calling it out for losing voters and rise in crime.
"There's a hemorrhaging of our Latino community, our AAPI communities, that's leaving the traditional Democratic base, because we've allowed the loudest and those who consider themselves to be 'woke' [to take charge],” Adams said in an appearance on
NYC Mayor Eric Adams says woke progressive policies are directly to blame for soaring crime across Democrat-run cities as he calls for violent serial-offenders to be locked-up
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Roitrn said:
You can assume and believe whatever you wish.
No. It's nit disingenuous at all. It's disrespectful to the original meaning for it to be used by any political party in present time. IMO.
You seem hyper-intent to establish you do not watch CNN. How were you able to watch a video, on CNN without actually watching it? It's all good. I watch it sometimes when I want to laugh at the ridiculous things they come up with. However now that Trump is gone their ratings have dropped. I just don't consider it a a good media platform. I definitely wouldn't cite a video as a source and expect it to be taking seriously. Much th same way ypu would never cite Fox.
Why did you bring the word "woke" up? You still haven't explained why in the middle of an unrelated discussion and during story time, you decided to mention it? Do you feel that your friends parents were not "woke" and that led to the suicide?
Mayor Adam's, a Democrat seems to view "woke" as less than positive. Even calling it out for losing voters and rise in crime.
Let's get to the CNN thing first. Read slowly for comprehension. Your point about CNN is argumentative and nothing more. Pretending that you don't understand is only evidence of your combative and disingenuous style of online communication.
Did you forget that I already told you that I wanted to discuss WOKE with you?
The person was my son's friend. Details are important. I feel that marginalized youth are at risk for suicide when their family is not supportive.
Thank you for providing a link. That Democrat is using WOKE in a way that is similar to the way its used by Republicans. Do you think that is typical of the liberal exploitation of the word that you describe? I don't think that his sentiment reflects mainstream liberal thinking, do you?
As a side note...CNN is rated as more reliable and accurate than The Daily Mail by Ad Fontes. Is that one of your regular sources of information?
As far as I can tell, both parties are so busy trying to blame either trump or Biden for a regulation failure that they've completely ignored the corporation that created the disaster.
And guess who picks up the tab for whatever clean-up actually happens?
Let's get to the CNN thing first. Read slowly for comprehension. Your point about CNN is argumentative and nothing more. Pretending that you don't understand is only evidence of your combative and disingenuous style of online communication.
Did you forget that I already told you that I wanted to discuss WOKE with you?
The person was my son's friend. Details are important. I feel that marginalized youth are at risk for suicide when their family is not supportive.
Thank you for providing a link. That Democrat is using WOKE in a way that is similar to the way its used by Republicans. Do you think that is typical of the liberal exploitation of the word that you describe? I don't think that his sentiment reflects mainstream liberal thinking, do you?
As a side note...CNN is rated as more reliable and accurate than The Daily Mail by Ad Fontes. Is that one of your regular sources of information?
Nah. You made a mistake and thought I had said "woke".
There seems to be a growing sentiment moving away from "woke" by both parties. That is the new "woke" that's been perverted from its original meaning.
The Hill provides an example of how democrats, like AOC use it against Republicans.
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The AOC-Bernie Sanders elite is not 'woke,’ they want to guilt, intimidate, and threaten everyone into believing what they believe,” said one prominent Democratic strategist. "They are Trumpian voters by another name
So the "right wing talking point" seems to have some democrats taking too. Perhaps every day citizens of both political parties do not want this neo "woke" idea pressed against them every which way? People do not like being told what to think and they really don't like being call a insult like racist or any of the "phobes" if they do not agree to the doctrine that "woke" has now become.
Considering the stellar accuracy of CNN, here's a link to a video, on CNN.
When we speak about what today's "woke" is, this is what people see as woke.
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Hodges' comments are reflective of a broader acknowledgment -- and concern -- that talking about things like defunding the police or the "Green New Deal" or ending the detention of people coming across our southern border illegally are a recipe for political disaster in the 2022 midterm elections.
This is a well written piece by a POC. I do not usually think there is a need to put that detail in but, this is IMO what the neo"woke" is doing. And it's awful.
At 13, she was too young to be cleaning a meatpacking plant in the heart of Nebraska cattle country, working the graveyard shift amid the brisket saws and the bone cutters. The cleaning company broke the law when it hired her and more than two dozen other teenagers in this gritty industrial town, federal officials said.
Since the U.S. Department of Labor raided the plant in October, Packers Sanitation Services, a contractor hired to clean the facility, has been fined for violating child labor laws. The girl, meanwhile, has watched her whole life unravel.
First, she lost the job that burned and blistered her skin but paid her $19 an hour. Then a county judge sent her stepfather to jail for driving her to work each night, a violation of state child labor laws. Her mother also faces jail time for securing the fake papers that got the child the job in the first place. And her parents are terrified of being sent back to Guatemala, the country they left several years ago in search of a better life.
Put this together with the forced-pregnancy push, the resistance to minimum wage, the assault on public schools and the ongoing shrinkage in safety-nets and what do you get? Hidden agendas, anyone?
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I'm asking you to give me examples. In the absence of examples of this use of the word by liberal politicians I'm going to suggest that your beliefs were fed by right wing messaging that isn't demonstrated in real events.
Show me examples of the "othering" and we can compare and contrast.
"Further disrespect the true meaning of the word"...I find that disingenuous. Just like your disingenuous roitrn to the argumentative CNN fixation that you keep returning to. Now you are incorrectly suggesting that I couldn't even admit to watching CNN one time. It's as if you are incapable of understanding that reviewing or citing a CNN video clip is not the same thing as watching CNN to inform oneself that's on you. That shortage of deductive reasoning or abundance of belligerence is unfortunate and stifles discussion.
Oh well... you don't appreciate my story telling...I guess we all needed to know that.
When conservative folks today can't support their opinions with something of substance there is good likelihood that the opinions or beliefs are based on feelings and emotional response to right wing misrepresentations, hyperbole or out right lies and propaganda. That's the unfortunate reality of right wing media in the era of Trump.
I admit flaws and shortcomings of liberal politicians, but, in this current conversation you haven't provided anything to admit to even though you've made some generalized claims of exploitation on both sides. Give me examples. Let's compare and contrast.