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I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
https://apnews.com/article/new-jersey-newark-bomb-threats-d0a59b80d460f9354f6bfe86f65475c6
QuoteAccording to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
toomuchbaloney said:The only people trying to exploit the word WOKE are the republican and conservative voices who have turned it into a pejorative, insult or slur in order to agitate their voting base.
No the definition is not incorrect, it's matured and evolved and consistent with original use.
Using it as a pejorative is incorrect. You know, the way most conservative voices use the term.
What gives you the authority to evolve its definition? Being a old white man? A Democrat? What gives democrats the authority to change the definition? And use the word for their own?
You exploited the word when you falsely implied I made mention of it. I do not accept the excuse you gave for bringing it up out of no where. Not to mention including the suicide death of your "friend".
You then implied I thought that "empathy and acceptance" is silly because I said the use of the word is silly. The same way democrats use it to "other" conservatives that do not wish to use the word. The same way conservatives use it as a pergative. Both parties
I was insensitive when I described it as silly. I should not have considering its historical use. I did not mean the original definition was silly but using it as a political point was. By both parties."agitate their party base" .
I can admit when I am wrong.
However in my opinion, you exploited the word for your own virtue quest. And the suicide death of your friend. After you refused to admit you made a mistake that I used the word.
Go ahead and misuse, redefine and exploit the word. I will not! It is disrespectful to the true meaning and to the people it applied to.
heron said:Leave it to racists to squirt out gobbledegook like squid ink to hide their stinkin' thinkin'.
Leave it to an old white man to virtue signal off a historical racialized word while being completely oblivious to their own racism. While calling everyone with a different opinion a racist. Ha. Right!
toomuchbaloney said:Fox was an uncomfortable place for the journalist... his conscience and professional standards caused him to leave Fox and seek work elsewhere.
Bent out of shape...hahaha... is THAT the objective of your CNN fixation? Because the repeated mentions seem to have no other purpose. I can imagine it's just an attempt to project the unease that you feel after discovering that your media voices were intentionally and unashamedly lying to you for their own financial benefit.
By the way... what are Fox news and Tucker saying about the revelation that they are liars? Is it silence? Fox will benefit from indoctrinating their viewers into a habit of very narrow media consumption.
Absolutely Fox will benefit. They will instill more paranoia in their listeners during their commercials for gold as a hedge for the end times coming from the woke people.
subee said:Absolutely Fox will benefit. They will instill more paranoia in their listeners during their commercials for gold as a hedge for the end times coming from the woke people.
One of the strategies used by the LGBTQ community to counter malicious name-calling has been to reclaim the nasty names as badges of pride and honor.
If the stupid people perceive me as woke, I must be doing something right.
Wish more airtime given to the Principals First Summit: "A grassroots effort to rediscover and champion principles in the 21st century" occurring this weekend in D.C.
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The theme of the 2023 Summit will be Preserving American Institutions and will focus on how to defend the liberal foundation of our republic and strengthen and improve our core American institutions, including each of the three branches of the federal government, state government, our elections, businesses and financial institutions, our armed forces, law enforcement and intelligence agencies, faith institutions, schools, and others.
Interspersed between panel discussions will be keynote speeches from principled political leaders, including potential 2024 presidential candidates, who will share their vision for the future with our attendees from all over the country.
Lots of people speaking that fill cable news and TV political shows: John Bolton, Officer Harry Dunn, Gov. Larry Hogan, Bill Kristol, Hon. J. Michael Luttig Esq., Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling and Charlie Sykes, The Bulwark. I was thinking of attending as $45 for 3 day event a bargain, but having dental surgery with bone graft Tuesday, thought better to stay away from large gathering,
Roitrn said:What gives you the authority to evolve its definition? Being a old white man? A Democrat? What gives democrats the authority to change the definition? And use the word for their own?
You exploited the word when you falsely implied I made mention of it. I do not accept the excuse you gave for bringing it up out of no where. Not to mention including the suicide death of your "friend".
You then implied I thought that "empathy and acceptance" is silly because I said the use of the word is silly. The same way democrats use it to "other" conservatives that do not wish to use the word. The same way conservatives use it as a pergative. Both parties
I was insensitive when I described it as silly. I should not have considering its historical use. I did not mean the original definition was silly but using it as a political point was. By both parties."agitate their party base" .
I can admit when I am wrong.
However in my opinion, you exploited the word for your own virtue quest. And the suicide death of your friend. After you refused to admit you made a mistake that I used the word.
Go ahead and misuse, redefine and exploit the word. I will not! It is disrespectful to the true meaning and to the people it applied to.
What makes you assign that evolution of a word to me specifically? That's quite a leap. What gives you the credibility or authority to make me responsible for the accepted meaning of a word? Is it that you are a white woman? Is it because you call yourself a conservative? Can you see now how silly your first remark is?
Of course there's the matter of you assuming that I am a Democrat.
I didn't imply that you made mention of the word and we discussed that already. I mentioned it. We disagree. Your appraisal is not necessarily the same as fact.
Oh no, you didn't care for my attempt to personalize a topic and discussion by telling a story. To share an experience as elders often do didn't please you.
Let's talk about liberal politicians exploiting the term woke. Could you provide an example and then we could compare and contrast. I disagree that there is any symmetry in the exploitation of that word between the political parties. Can you give me some examples to talk about before we assume there is a "both sides" are equally at fault phenomenon? I'll give another example of a highly esteemed conservative politician using WOKE in an important national speech describing Biden's agenda as a woke fantasy. Is that exploiting the word? Let's contrast...
I think it's important for us to talk about the words that our politicians deliberately use to achieve their agendas. Some of the words are simply dog whistles or outright lies in the era of Trump and its increasingly important for the public to be aware. These are perilous times.
There's lots of evidence that right wing politicians, propagandists, podcasters and personalities have turned "woke" into one of their culture war causes. Let's talk about the evidence that liberals are doing that too.
heron said:One of the strategies used by the LGBTQ community to counter malicious name-calling has been to reclaim the nasty names as badges of pride and honor.
If the stupid people perceive me as woke, I must be doing something right.
I think that the black community might have done that first too... talking those slurs on as a badge. Women have tried to own the B word forever.
The Independent What is the history of the word 'woke' and its modern uses?
Origin of the word 'woke'
QuoteThe phrase "woke" and to "stay woke" is not new — it began appearing in the 1940s and was first used by African Americans to "literally mean becoming woken up or sensitised to issues of justice", says linguist and lexicographer Tony Thorne.
Vox: Stay woke: How a Black activist watchword got co-opted in the culture war.
toomuchbaloney said:What makes you assign that evolution of a word to me specifically? That's quite a leap. What gives you the credibility or authority to make me responsible for the accepted meaning of a word? Is it that you are a white woman? Is it because you call yourself a conservative? Can you see now how silly your first remark is?
Of course there's the matter of you assuming that I am a Democrat.
I didn't imply that you made mention of the word and we discussed that already. I mentioned it. We disagree. Your appraisal is not necessarily the same as fact.
Oh no, you didn't care for my attempt to personalize a topic and discussion by telling a story. To share an experience as elders often do didn't please you.
Let's talk about liberal politicians exploiting the term woke. Could you provide an example and then we could compare and contrast. I disagree that there is any symmetry in the exploitation of that word between the political parties. Can you give me some examples to talk about before we assume there is a "both sides" are equally at fault phenomenon? I'll give another example of a highly esteemed conservative politician using WOKE in an important national speech describing Biden's agenda as a woke fantasy. Is that exploiting the word? Let's contrast...
I think it's important for us to talk about the words that our politicians deliberately use to achieve their agendas. Some of the words are simply dog whistles or outright lies in the era of Trump and its increasingly important for the public to be aware. These are perilous times.
There's lots of evidence that right wing politicians, propagandists, podcasters and personalities have turned "woke" into one of their culture war causes. Let's talk about the evidence that liberals are doing that too.
What I will say is that it is unfortunate that some conservatives have used the word and made it a negative thing. No, the democrats have not used it in the same purgitive way. They have used it as a collective term. If you are not "woke" then your racist or add whatever derogatory term. A form of othering. Not of the true intent of the word and not taking into account that some may agree with the ideas of "woke" , in its new but loosely defined way. I think most democrats and conservatives value seeing and being aware of racist injustices. As the original meaning of the word.
I choose to not further disrespect the true meaning of the word so to use your words, " I'm not playing that game". Especially when it's disrespectful to the people who fought for civil right in this country.
There have been many assumptions made on this thread so I didn't think that would be a problem. It's safe to say the odds are you are not a conservative. Or republican.
Of course you cannot agree with "symmetry ". Your many post demonstrate a vast decline to even consider any fault by yourself or your preferred political party and media. From not being able to admit to making a mistake I used a word I didn't, I.e "woke" to admitting you at least watched CNN onet ime. Because you posted a video played on CNN.
I can appreciate your story about your friend. What I don't appreciate is you using the tragedy in order to some how emotionally silence me into replying with anything but your point of view. Using emotion to make a point on a online forum. And then repeatedly make comments about others "emotions and feelings".
Roitrn said:Right. Like the N word? Calling ones self and others that word is not a badge of pride or honor in any context.
Are you speaking for black people when you say that? Perhaps you don't understand the dynamic of black (men in particular) defiantly OWNING the word that racists use to demean them to this day.
heron, ASN, RN
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Which has been a movement in the US since at least the 1920s. Far-lefty Sinclair Lewis wrote about the threat in the 1930's in "It Can't Happen Here".
Trump courted and empowered fascists, along with racists and Christian nationalists, from the beginning of his 2016 campaign.
There's a special place in hell ...