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I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news.  I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.

https://apnews.com/article/new-jersey-newark-bomb-threats-d0a59b80d460f9354f6bfe86f65475c6

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According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.

Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.

The arrested the guy the next day. 

What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there. 

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Daisy4RN said:

Wow, below the belt hit with this one!! If you really believe this you need to back away from the MSM. You do realize that guns do not simply walk away by themselves and shoot people right? We have had guns in this Country for quite awhile now but yet you and others don't see the problems now are the results of the devolution of our society. People are not suffering the consequences of their action in part bc of Dem policies, no cash bail, defund the police, probation and or light sentencing etc. Everyone and anyone (including police) who commit crimes should be held accountable. I am old enough to remember when high school kids (and others) drove around with guns in their trucks to go hunting/shooting after school, never had these problems then. When a 6yo brings a gun to school and shoots their teacher on purpose, when kids are killed walking to school and while sitting in their car seats etc we have a big problem that will not be solved by either limiting the rights of law abiding citizens or trying to take their guns away. Criminals will always find a way, knives, mowing down people in a car etc. Instead of constantly blaming Conservatives maybe it would be more helpful to look at what the Democrats and their policies have created. Their feel good policies aren't working!! 

I'm obviously a conservative and I also want some gun control laws. Of course. 

I find it hard to stomach the lack of concern or the lack of accountability when gun crimes are committed that doesn't fit the conservative condemning ideology. 

If some democrats took gun crime more seriously like in Chicago as serious as they do any mass shooting done by a "republican" or in a republican state, I could find more common ground. 

The recent shooting in California for example. Some democrats were quick to assign a racial element and exploit the tragedy to press their political agenda.  And they do it time and again. As POC myself, I cannot agree with a political party that claims to be all inclusive while at the sametime exclude the fact that so many POC are dying and its ignored because of fear of being racist. It seems to only matter if it's one race committing crime to another. However the very race they claim are so oppressed continue to die in the street. 

I'm new here but if that incident in California was done by a white man to the Asian community in a republican state,  there would because whole lot more conversation happening in this forum. 

There is no common goal left in politics. Only asserting the agenda at all costs. And I acknowledge its not just a one party problem. 

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HiddenAngels said:

I will do no such thing.  You can Google THAT for yourself.  Or just watch the news whatever you prefer.  

And here you are again suggesting that people are acting uncivilized and disrespectful and warrant police brutality.  This saddens me.

The etiquette if this forum is to back up points with evidence. I simply asked for you to do the same. You obviously do not have to. 

I made no statement that says people who act uncivilized warrant abuse by police. 

What I did say was that people could significantly reduce the risk of it through their behaviors. 

I did say however is if you attack a police officer, shoot at them or come at them with any type of weapon, it is reasonable to expect they will respond with lethal force and you most likely will die. And if someone thinks otherwise and loses their life because of this ignorance, that makes me sad as well. 

 

Netshark said:

I'm obviously a conservative and I also want some gun control laws. Of course. 

I find it hard to stomach the lack of concern or the lack of accountability when gun crimes are committed that doesn't fit the conservative condemning ideology. 

If some democrats took gun crime more seriously like in Chicago as serious as they do any mass shooting done by a "republican" or in a republican state, I could find more common ground. 

The recent shooting in California for example. Some democrats were quick to assign a racial element and exploit the tragedy to press their political agenda.  And they do it time and again. As POC myself, I cannot agree with a political party that claims to be all inclusive while at the sametime exclude the fact that so many POC are dying and its ignored because of fear of being racist. It seems to only matter if it's one race committing crime to another. However the very race they claim are so oppressed continue to die in the street. 

I'm new here but if that incident in California was done by a white man to the Asian community in a republican state,  there would because whole lot more conversation happening in this forum. 

There is no common goal left in politics. Only asserting the agenda at all costs. And I acknowledge its not just a one party problem. 

Gun control hurts minority populations the most.   

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MaybeeRN said:

Gun control hurts minority populations the most.   

Are you kidding? Consider what happens to black folks caught with a gun in the wrong neighborhood.

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heron said:

Are you kidding? Consider what happens to black folks caught with a gun in the wrong neighborhood.

Why do they have a gun? Is it legal? What neighborhood? Was it a neighborhood where there is allot of gun violence? Did they answer honestly when the police asked if there was any fire arms? 

Did they pull it out? Point it? I do not fully agree with gun control laws hurting POC most but, these are contributing factors. 

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heron said:

Are you kidding? Consider what happens to black folks caught with a gun in the wrong neighborhood.

Are you kidding? While of course we don't want anyone hurt maybe we should consider the real plight of black folks. Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and other cities are not safe anymore bc of Dem policies and/or incompetence. The black folks are the ones paying the price disproportionately. The crime rates increase and innocent people, including many children, are hurt and killed because of Dem policies all the while they claim to "care". If the Dems cared they would never allow this insanity to continue in their cities. There will probably always be racist individuals and those will pay for their crimes. That is completely different than what the Dem party is, and has been, doing for years and decades. Increased homicide rates, poverty, poor living conditions and illegal immigration have all negatively impacted black communities disproportionately and therefore individual lives. Add to that the race baiting by Dems, including CRT, isn't really helping the situation is it!? They situation only worsens over the years that Dems are in control, even when we had a Black President. 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/24/homicides-have-skyrocketed-in-these-6-democratic-cities-black-people-are-disproportionately-the-victims-data-shows/

https://amac.us/americas-25-worst-cities-are-democrat-led-the-answer-new-leaders/
 

https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-cd60b6d9b1e34e20b9b0c19205c2cae6

https://pjmedia.com/columns/vinceeverettellison/2020/06/12/truth-democrats-feed-racism-to-control-our-black-community-n521750

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

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Netshark said:

Why do they have a gun? Is it legal? What neighborhood? Was it a neighborhood where there is allot of gun violence? Did they answer honestly when the police asked if there was any fire arms? 

Did they pull it out? Point it? I do not fully agree with gun control laws hurting POC most but, these are contributing factors. 

You are asking too many sensible question they don't want to answer!

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Daisy4RN said:

Are you kidding? While of course we don't want anyone hurt maybe we should consider the real plight of black folks. Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and other cities are not safe anymore bc of Dem policies and/or incompetence. The black folks are the ones paying the price disproportionately. The crime rates increase and innocent people, including many children, are hurt and killed because of Dem policies all the while they claim to "care". If the Dems cared they would never allow this insanity to continue in their cities. There will probably always be racist individuals and those will pay for their crimes. That is completely different than what the Dem party is, and has been, doing for years and decades. Increased homicide rates, poverty, poor living conditions and illegal immigration have all negatively impacted black communities disproportionately and therefore individual lives. Add to that the race baiting by Dems, including CRT, isn't really helping the situation is it!? They situation only worsens over the years that Dems are in control, even when we had a Black President. 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/24/homicides-have-skyrocketed-in-these-6-democratic-cities-black-people-are-disproportionately-the-victims-data-shows/

https://amac.us/americas-25-worst-cities-are-democrat-led-the-answer-new-leaders/
 

https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-cd60b6d9b1e34e20b9b0c19205c2cae6

https://pjmedia.com/columns/vinceeverettellison/2020/06/12/truth-democrats-feed-racism-to-control-our-black-community-n521750

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

 

It almost seems they are more outraged when young white kids shoot up a school full of white kids in a Republicans state then they are when POC are killed in gun violence daily. 

I would have half a mind to say that that sounds racist. 

Below a list of several just this month. 39 people killed by gun violence in 2023. That's more than the 21 deaths from the Uvalde Texas school shooting and the month isn't even over. Where's the outrage for this? How are those gun control laws working? 

https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/

Homicides in Chicago: a list of every victim

 

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MEMPHIS, Tenn. (AP) — Five fired Memphis police officers were charged Thursday with murder and other crimes in the killing of Tyre Nichols, a Black motorist who died three days after a confrontation with the officers during a traffic stop.

https://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-police-officers-charged-48d48f2137a2f34482274edb1bd1bab2?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03

Okay, go ahead and tell me how this was caused by CRT, the use of gender neutral pronouns, and gun control. 

My point is violence and senseless killings is more complex than police funding, changing social norms, and Democratic mayors. No one seems to take into consideration income disparities, drug addiction, social isolation and lack of adequate housing. Oh no, it's easier to pull out statistics for a single year, and point fingers. 

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nursej22 said:

https://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-police-officers-charged-48d48f2137a2f34482274edb1bd1bab2?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03

Okay, go ahead and tell me how this was caused by CRT, the use of gender neutral pronouns, and gun control. 

My point is violence and senseless killings is more complex than police funding, changing social norms, and Democratic mayors. No one seems to take into consideration income disparities, drug addiction, social isolation and lack of adequate housing. Oh no, it's easier to pull out statistics for a single year, and point fingers. 

I'm confused? How did crt , pronouns or gun control relate to that? Is that a position of a older member? I did not associate those things with any of that. 

And wow. I'm glad that 5 officers are being charged for that crime. As I would agree there is a history of police getting off lightly. However if feel that is changing. This is one good example of accountability being alloted to law enforcement.  

I agree with your last paragraph for the most part. It's not helpful to point fingers. Instead we should focus on the why and how and not who's fault it is. (Not in reference to these police, if found guilty, the death was their fault 100%). It would be interesting to find out why they incountered the victim in the first place and what triggered them to assult him like that. (Not placing fault on the victim). More enquiring what could have been done to prevent it from getting to that point. 

If you are referring to my source I cited above, that was the amount of deaths in Jan 2023 only. Not an entire year. And I also agree citing stats without context is not helpful either. However that staggering number of 39 deaths in less than a month is worth consideration. 

nursej22 said:

https://apnews.com/article/tyre-nichols-police-officers-charged-48d48f2137a2f34482274edb1bd1bab2?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_03

Okay, go ahead and tell me how this was caused by CRT, the use of gender neutral pronouns, and gun control. 

My point is violence and senseless killings is more complex than police funding, changing social norms, and Democratic mayors. No one seems to take into consideration income disparities, drug addiction, social isolation and lack of adequate housing. Oh no, it's easier to pull out statistics for a single year, and point fingers. 

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