We Must Demolish NP Diploma Mills

Updated:   Published

can-we-take-actions-against-diploma-mills.jpg.09fa99775c84efd3afa7f190a0a86413.jpg

What is AANP doing with those programs??? I think we should unite to take an action on such diploma mills.

Specializes in Mental health, substance abuse, geriatrics, PCU.
4 hours ago, Ace Savanahh said:

And many of them might be athletic, bilingual, and work really fast.  It is also scientifically proven that young people process information at much faster rate.  Yikes,  I kind of see why letting every young bilingual phenom with drive, a chiseled physique, and nice hair into the NP profession might be despised by some who need antiquated laws to keep these people at bay.  Why make it possible for the person with the goods to succeed because institutional schools don't want to invest in their underserved communities.  I get it.  Take any advantage you can get it.   

If you think these for profit schools are investing anything into underserved communities your are deluding yourself. They don't care about anything other than lining their pockets and delivering just enough education to prevent from being sued. 

Athletic, bilingual, young? What does that have anything to do with the current state of for profit online degree mills that are churning out NP's and making them a dime a dozen? Are you attempting to say that the criticism and concerns about the quality of higher education amounts to nothing more than jealousy? That's a superficial and flimsy counterargument.

Reminds me of the posters who says "The nurses are eating me because, I'm young, beautiful, and smarter than everyone."

5
Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Dialysis.
10 minutes ago, TheMoonisMyLantern said:

Reminds me of the posters who says "The nurses are eating me because, I'm young, beautiful, and smarter than everyone."

Yep, old biter nurses out in full force ?

Up Vote Up Vote ×
3 hours ago, TheMoonisMyLantern said:

Reminds me of the posters who says "The nurses are eating me because, I'm young, beautiful, and smarter than everyone."

I’ve seen this ??manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  times.  

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Mental health, substance abuse, geriatrics, PCU.
5 hours ago, Ace Savanahh said:

I’ve seen this ??manyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  times.  

Believe it or not it's not an uncommon sentiment that's been expressed on here over the years!

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Dialysis.
45 minutes ago, TheMoonisMyLantern said:

Believe it or not it's not an uncommon sentiment that's been expressed on here over the years!

Nurses eat their young, nurses eat their old. Holy moly! We're cannibals ???

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Surgery.

Admittedly I have not read all of the comments but I went to a mediocre, but popular, program which had 400+ students. My program had one person who was supposed to assist in our finding of preceptors but was incredibly weak and essentially we were on our own. 

My point being, even some non-diploma mills aren't very good. Like a lot in life, its what you make of it unless you're prepared to (and get accepted into) one of the best schools..

2
Up Vote Up Vote ×
7 hours ago, TheMoonisMyLantern said:

Believe it or not it's not an uncommon sentiment that's been expressed on here over the years!

I mean I’ve seen it happen in real life. 

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in ACNP-BC, Adult Critical Care, Cardiology.

I think we certainly need to slow down the entry of more and more new NP's who won't be able to join an increasingly saturated workforce. When I was a student back in 2002, the ACNP program I attended can only take 30 students a year...and even with that, there were only less than 10 of us who enrolled and graduated in the same batch. Our Advanced Pharm course was maybe 50 students in one class and that was the cumulative total of all the other NP students from the other tracks (ANP, PMHNP, WHNP). Nowadays, I'm sure they've increased their capacity. For profit or not, schools benefit from the revenue. I think now FNP and ACNP programs are getting too large. PMHNP is also getting there.

2
Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Psychiatric, in school for PMHNP..
6 hours ago, Alicia777 said:

Admittedly I have not read all of the comments but I went to a mediocre, but popular, program which had 400+ students. My program had one person who was supposed to assist in our finding of preceptors but was incredibly weak and essentially we were on our own. 

My point being, even some non-diploma mills aren't very good. Like a lot in life, its what you make of it unless you're prepared to (and get accepted into) one of the best schools..

Totally agree!!

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Psychiatry.
5 hours ago, juan de la cruz said:

I think we certainly need to slow down the entry of more and more new NP's who won't be able to join an increasingly saturated workforce. When I was a student back in 2002, the ACNP program I attended can only take 30 students a year...and even with that, there were only less than 10 of us who enrolled and graduated in the same batch. Our Advanced Pharm course was maybe 50 students in one class and that was the cumulative total of all the other NP students from the other tracks (ANP, PMHNP, WHNP). Nowadays, I'm sure they've increased their capacity. For profit or not, schools benefit from the revenue. I think now FNP and ACNP programs are getting too large. PMHNP is also getting there.

Agree they're all getting too big. And some of the not for profits have class sizes of 50+ which I feel is a lot....but none of them are graduating 2,500+ a year like the for-profit diploma mills. And again, they're graduating with very little oversight after applying to a school that prides itself on having no interviews, no GRE, no entry barriers of any kind! It's an embarrassment.

2
Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Psychiatric, in school for PMHNP..
2 hours ago, MentalKlarity said:

Agree they're all getting too big. And some of the not for profits have class sizes of 50+ which I feel is a lot....but none of them are graduating 2,500+ a year like the for-profit diploma mills. And again, they're graduating with very little oversight after applying to a school that prides itself on having no interviews, no GRE, no entry barriers of any kind! It's an embarrassment.

Instead of concentrating on the entrance policies,  I would think you would all be concentrating on the finished product – – meaning do the graduates pass their certification boards and make good NPs? Don’t you know that medical doctors have the same kind of schools?  Oh but I forgot, you’re all so embarrassed!?!  Get over yourselves.

Up Vote Up Vote ×
Specializes in Stepdown . Telemetry.
On 2/8/2021 at 6:59 AM, JBMmom said:

I mean this as a genuine question, I'm not trying to be confrontational. How is the focus as a NP entirely different from a RN? Over the course of my shift as a RN I have to assess my patient and note any changes in condition. If a change in condition is detected, I must notify a provider, but generally I'm expected to have an idea of what the appropriate intervention is going to be. I have to know the patient's medical conditions and allergies, their current medications and the role and potential side effects of those medications. I have to have a basic understanding of the pathophysiology of whatever disease process it is that my patient is experiencing and know expected versus unexpected courses of illness and recovery. 

In my clinical time as a NP, I go in and assess a patient. I usually clarify with the nurse whether the patient has experienced any changes in condition, and then I identify the appropriate interventions to change the course of care, or continue on the current course. I do have to write MUCH longer notes in the provider role. I have a more complete notation of the system focus, but it's the same general principle as what I did on the floor. At least that's how I've seen it so far. I really would appreciate your input on where the provider role differs dramatically. Thank you. 

I totally agree, we are not just implementing orders. We anticipate what is ordered and by seeing what docs order as well as collaborating with them all day. we are exposed to much of their clinical reasoning. Heck lets be honest much of the time we are calling them because we already know what is needed and they just have to enter it. And if we don't know then we are learning and seeing the many variances in treatment choices. We also have so much experience seeing how patients respond to treatment.  just because we are not officially signing the order, we are learning how to clinically reason. If I call the doc about a patient change I am obviously have in mind what I suspect will be done. And every time they decide to order something or not change the orders, I am gaining layers of knowledge in regards to clinical reasoning. 
 

We are thinking through every aspect of our patient’s care every shift, at least those who plan to advance are hopefully nurses who do this. There is a ton to grasp at the bedside that just requires one to be inquisitive in order to continually elevate your thinking skills and reasoning.

2
Up Vote Up Vote ×
+ Join the Discussion