One of my classmates came to me about a week and a half ago and asked for my phone #, she stated that she had a question to ask me?
(A little background, this is a girl who doesn't speak to me. In the past she's asked to see my notes right before exams.)
Anyway she calls me today (finals are tomorrow) and asks if she can have all my notes sent to her email so she can study them (I type all of my lecture notes). She said she has anemia and been sleeping all the time (I noticed her sleeping in class). After thinking about, I sad no. If she wanted to study w/me or have me help her with a area that she was having difficulty, I would have done it. But to just hand over my notes, my work so she can have "cliff-notes" to the class, NO. I am sorry.
my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. the right thing should have been to let her know how you feel about things and let her know to get it together and i do understand that you aren't there to babysit but, yet instill you all are there to pull another thru.
at hfcc there were 200 students to graduate out of about 260 in the class of 2005. this was the biggest amount of students to graduate in the history of their nursing program
and the reason being is because everyony decided to help another and they pushed each other to do their absolute best and, also it wasn't a competition they felt that they were in it together and that no one is going to be left behind.
i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill you
Wheather you are asking for money, time, notes, whatever; the person being asked has a right to do with their property as they wish. If you don't think you are entitled to the items that come from the sweat of your brow, maybe you should not be evoking the LORD's name. Also, Lord is capitalised. :nono:Second, the only academic program I have ever been associated with that believes in socialism, and community rights to academic materials is nursing. Third, competiton makes things better. If there is no need for competition then why do the instructors keep grades, why has America produced the best in innovative products in the past? Because competition works. Competition drives innovation, and productivity. Why do you think that the USSR failed? Because in a society that endorses mediocraty and is content with no productivity, that is what you get. You want a lot from your kids or students, demand a lot. Yea, I know, I'm a mean old Capitalist. I really believe that you have to pay the highest wages to the brightest minds to get them to pursue the most demanding fields. I know you probably think that a minimum wage brain surgeon does the same job as a rich one. I'll pay the extra money if they are working on my brain. You can have the one that is paid minimum wage, because in the world you exist in, that's probably good enough.
my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill you
she did give the girl her notes, and the girl was rude, unappreciative, and didn't even bother to say "thank you." personally, i believe the "medical necessity" argument this girl gave about as much as i believe i can visit the beach during my next trip to kansas. she's lazy, and she's taking advantage. it's not "mean" to refuse to do someone else's work for them. if she can't get through nursing school without asking someone else to do her work for her, then she shouldn't be a nurse.
You have a right to your own notes however this person felt comfortable enough to come to you to ask about notes and now I am sure there is no comfort level with you. Some day karma will come back to you.
I take good notes and then rearrange them some students have asked for my notes before and I have asked for other notes from students I have never turned anyone away and have never been turned down. I cannot help but think about the old saying with alot of the replies "nurses eat their young". Not trying to sound harsh again they are your notes and the student should have made arrangements with the instructor instead of trying to count on another student for assistance. You have a right to your choice.
I say email the notes. this may be a sincere genuine need for help, its the second time around that tells you what type of person you are dealing with..i believe it is a small price to pay to size the suituation. you may be gaining a friend or losing a slacker either way you dont lose........
Friday I was 30 minutes late to class because of a major accident on the hwy at the exit I needed for school. I always leave early for school, it's only a 15 minute drive but I like to arrive early and get organized, etc. Well, I was stuck in between exits and had to sit. I was literally sick b/c I am never late or miss, ever.
I arrived and the girl sitting next to me said "after class I'll copy my notes on the copier and give you what you missed." I was so very thankful that she offered, as I probably would not of asked. I mentioned the accident to her and told her I was very thankful and to let me know if she ever needed anything from me. We're not "friends" and we dont speak in class, just happen to sit next to each other, but I'd like to think that she knows I am always on time and in class, which is why she offered... maybe?
At any rate, what goes around comes around. Do what you want with your property, you're not obligated to share them with anyone. But like some others have mentioned, I'd like to think that if I help someone they will help me out. If the girl who copied me her notes ever needed mine I'd be more than happy to share them with her.
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my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. the right thing should have been to let her know how you feel about things and let her know to get it together and i do understand that you aren't there to babysit but, yet instill you all are there to pull another thru.
you're right nursing school isn't suppose to be a competition but it is. everyone wants to be the smartest in the class whether they admit it or not and the ones that are at the top of the class majority of the time have no problems in letting it be known. no one was baby sitting in this siuation the student in the op wanted someone to hold her hand and do the work for her. she was in class right along with the op and had no problem sleeping but then wanted the notes from class. if you would have read further you would have seen where the op gave the girl her notes and there wasn't even a thank you in return. would you want to hold her hand a second time?
at hfcc there were 200 students to graduate out of about 260 in the class of 2005. this was the biggest amount of students to graduate in the history of their nursing program
and the reason being is because everyony decided to help another and they pushed each other to do their absolute best and, also it wasn't a competition they felt that they were in it together and that no one is going to be left behind.
you're sure that's the reason that that was the reason it was the largest class. there's no way it could have been that everyone that was there wanted to be a nurse and did everything in their power to make sure that they graduated. helping someone with a patient or studying with them is one thing but doing the work for someone (which the op did because the other student has a "medical condition" which a student in my class also has and can do her own work plus work 40 hours a week and is a single mother) is not being helpful.
if this was the case then why did 60 not make it. if the class did everything that they could to help everyone out then the entire starting class would have been there at graduation. i doubt very seriously that 60 people got some type of illness that prevented them from graduating so i know some of them had to have failed out. where was their help?
i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill you
the ones that are mature enough to do their own work and not have to ask anyone for help because it was more important to sleep then learn something. or the ones that are adults and know that hand holding doesn't get either person anywhere. you're right it won't kill anyone but it gets old real quick.
Friday I was 30 minutes late to class because of a major accident on the hwy at the exit I needed for school. I always leave early for school, it's only a 15 minute drive but I like to arrive early and get organized, etc. Well, I was stuck in between exits and had to sit. I was literally sick b/c I am never late or miss, ever.
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I'd like to think that she knows I am always on time and in class, which is why she offered... maybe?
Probably, and I'd offer to help you in that situation too. I'm very happy to help classmates that I know are hard workers. Sometimes people just have crappy situations that they're thrown into, and I am happy to help in those situations. I think in general, students get to know which of their classmates really knows their stuff and is generally well prepared, and which students are just not working as hard as they should. You sound like the former, the girl in the OP sounds like the latter.
I have been in a similar situation, I have handed notes over, but later resented it, as I felt I was doing the hard yard and they were just getting the easy part, in future I have decided against it. I dont think you were mean at all, I think you were very assertive and wise!!! Good on YOU!
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my thing is smply this nursing school is not a competition you are in there together to help one another out and at times u have to pull another thru. the right thing should have been to let her know how you feel about things and let her know to get it together and i do understand that you aren't there to babysit but, yet instill you all are there to pull another thru.
at hfcc there were 200 students to graduate out of about 260 in the class of 2005. this was the biggest amount of students to graduate in the history of their nursing program
and the reason being is because everyony decided to help another and they pushed each other to do their absolute best and, also it wasn't a competition they felt that they were in it together and that no one is going to be left behind.
i can see if this girl asked for your notes all the time but, 2 or 3 times wasn't going to kill you