One of my classmates came to me about a week and a half ago and asked for my phone #, she stated that she had a question to ask me?
(A little background, this is a girl who doesn't speak to me. In the past she's asked to see my notes right before exams.)
Anyway she calls me today (finals are tomorrow) and asks if she can have all my notes sent to her email so she can study them (I type all of my lecture notes). She said she has anemia and been sleeping all the time (I noticed her sleeping in class). After thinking about, I sad no. If she wanted to study w/me or have me help her with a area that she was having difficulty, I would have done it. But to just hand over my notes, my work so she can have "cliff-notes" to the class, NO. I am sorry.
and my thought about karma: i find it interesting that some of you think the op will have karma stricken back at her. what this girl was thinking (about not sharing her notes) is not vindictive or evil; she takes pride in her work and feels the other girl was taking advantage of her.
no, please get your facts straight, ms. nurse educate. i said karma would come back two-fold because she ended up sharing her notes. don't attack my belief system. i did not mention one word about karma being a negative moral law in to the op.
this thread makes me very, very sad and quite scared that i'm going to be working beside of some of you. i try with all my might to believe that people are good; although, i do agree some actions would classify persons as "leeches."
when you learn, teach. when you get, give. that's the way i'm living life and am quite happy with it.
we're obviously not going to change each others views on this subject. unfortunately, this woman who "leeches" off of typed notes may in fact fail her nclex. that's the state's decision, not mine.
As a nursing student, I have shared notes, and have received notes from other students. I wouldn't expect for someone to send them last minute, however you have to keep in mind that we are all in "this" together. I understand however that someone that never speaks to you asks you for a favor can be irritating!! But, one time I didn't want to give some one the answers and I did, she turned around and gave me notes from a class that I probably wouldn't of passed without those notes. I think maybe you can look at the brighter side of everything. Nursing school is tough. If you can help some out by all means just do it. It is good karma anyhow.
No, please get your facts straight, Ms. Nurse Educate. I said karma would come back two-fold because she ended up sharing her notes. Don't attack my belief system. I did not mention one word about karma being a negative moral law in to the OP.
Wow, no need to get so defensive Ms.dani . Correct me if I'm wrong (and it certainly would not be the first time:lol2:), but I was not attacking you or your belief system, rather expressing my thoughts on the topic (as we are all allowed to do diplomatically, in such a forum). Besides, I'm pretty sure my reply wasn't directed at you per se, rather someone whom I thought was saying that karma would bite the girl in the a$$ for not sharing her notes (essentially for being helpful to this person). Seriously, no need for all the anger.
But nursing IS a team sport. I'm the first one to admit that I hated group projects when I was stuck working with lame partners however that is a sad fact of life. If you and your team won't work together to help each other your patients will suffer.
If it in some way compromised your grade I'd say no way also but sending an email to me is pretty painless. This thread makes me sad especially because I'm working next to some of you now, sigh.
School is NOT a team sport. You are not graded as a class, but as an individual. That IS the way it sould be. I did NOT in any way say that nursing school and the workplace are the same thing. I guess it is ok to "share" work on mandatories as well as "share" work during school. No sense in ever doing the work you are being asked to do, when you can take the easy way out. I guess competency doesn't factor into pt care. After all, you can always go to your teammate and ask if the drip you calculated is wrong because someone else carried your weight through dosage and calc. This is the reality of the rest of the world outside of nursing. YOU do the work and YOU get grades or paid for it. And as far as you working next to me, you would be very glad to have me work next to you. I study hard, apply myself, work for the grades and read nursing magazines before sleeping. I am driven to be a very competent nurse. I have had offers from every department attempting to headhunt me from my unit. You automatically go on the offensive when I choose to consider the sweat of my brow, my work, and my right ot share or not share. I'm a mean person because I do not find the group study thing beneficial to me. But I guess that is the problem, I should be thinking of everyone but myself. Afetr all, I really want the person working on my daughter to be the person who took the easy way through school. How about you?:angryfire
I don't think you were being mean. There should be no expectation that you would share your notes.
That said, however, I almost certainly would've shared them. Last semester, I typed (in real time) all of my notes in physio, micro, and statistics. I also typed up detailed flash cards and made audio study files. In physio, I stood up in front of the class and offered them to whomever sent me a request. In micro and stats, I didn't directly offer but was solicited by several people. In every case, I did share them. (I stopped with one person when they failed to reply to mails that I sent them.) In at least one case, one of the recipients was a competitor for one of the slots in my DEMSN program. As it turns out, I got in and he didn't.
I figured that it cost me nothing to share them since I had decided that I would not be selling them (I did consider it for a bit). My philosophy is that I'd like everybody around me to do well, too.
I don't believe in Karma but I do believe in "treat others as you would have them treat you."
Would I have shared a notes from the entire class? No. Would I, and have I, taken notes or shared from one day when asked..sure. If I felt someone was serious about school and trying their best to succeed, I would help out as best as I can. If it was a slacker trying to take the easy way out, forget it. And believe me, we all know who the slackers are. If you going to sit at the back and talk all class, come back late from lunch, stay late at breaks, disrupt class with laughing - forget it.
My only exception is that I would NEVER let anyone listen to my tape recorders of my voice covering notes and facts - a little too personal for me.
This is the same principle that you will learn once you get on the floor. When I was new, I helped everyone else out. Bent over backwards to be a team player. Then as I worked there longer I saw who were the takers and never the givers. Now I play the "I'm too busy right now" game with those that have given back. And its not because they can't.
disclaimer: sensitive people might not want to read any further. i am a caring and outgoing person, but this is how i feel.
by the law of statistics, half the people are below average. they have to be because there are 50% above and below the median. if you're one of the people not willing to put forth the effort into learning, or to be brutally honest, if you're not intelligent enough to pass the coursework; maybe you don't need to be a nurse where you have people's lives in your hands...
what a lot of you don't realize is this: if we have to constantly carry someone thru nursing school, it is highly probable that we will have to carry their slack on the job once they graduate. unless i'm getting paid extra to carry dead weight, i'm going to abstain. not being mean, but sometimes the truth hurts.
i help those who i believe deserve it. it's my call because it's my time, notes, ideas, or information that is being shared. i do not help bums or leeches. i help those who i determine have tried and need a little boost. i will be first to say that i may be wrong in judgment, but i'm willing to live with it. i am not the teacher, and i do not have a responsibility to teach the class to those who don't put forth 100% effort to learn. if someone has a legitimate issue that i am aware of, i will bend over backwards to help them.
Anemia or not, I think sleeping in class does not entitle the classmate to someone elses notes. If they are unable to pay attention in class in order to become a safe nurse, then they should either take care of their underlying medical problem or drop out of school until they are ready to commit to staying awake for lecture.
Nursing degrees are not like most other degrees... eventually we will be responsible for other people's lives and well-being. One cannot expect to sleep through class for any reason and still succeed and be safe in this career. Might sound harsh, but we have so much we will eventually be responsible for.....
my only exception is that i would never let anyone listen to my tape recorders of my voice covering notes and facts - a little too personal for me.
i'd agree with this 100%. that's too personal for me, too.
that's interesting because i went through that, too. i did not offer the audio stuff but was asked for it. i initially declined for the same reason - it just felt too personal. the more i thought about it, though, i decided that i was just being self-conscious and i felt pretty supportive of the person asking so i decided to go ahead. i ended up sharing them with a few people but not so many as the typed stuff.
i don't know why i feel so much less comfortable sharing my spoken words than my written ones. i suppose it's analogous to the difference between public speaking and expository writing. i'd guess an would have many fewer participants if we all had to speak rather than type.
. Correct me if I'm wrong (and it certainly would not be the first time:lol2:), but I was not attacking you or your belief system, rather expressing my thoughts on the topic (as we are all allowed to do diplomatically, in such a forum). Besides, I'm pretty sure my reply wasn't directed at you per se, rather someone whom I thought was saying that karma would bite the girl in the a$$ for not sharing her notes (essentially for being helpful to this person). Seriously, no need for all the anger.
Eirene, ASN, RN
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no, please get your facts straight, ms. nurse educate. i said karma would come back two-fold because she ended up sharing her notes. don't attack my belief system. i did not mention one word about karma being a negative moral law in to the op.
this thread makes me very, very sad and quite scared that i'm going to be working beside of some of you. i try with all my might to believe that people are good; although, i do agree some actions would classify persons as "leeches."
when you learn, teach. when you get, give. that's the way i'm living life and am quite happy with it.
we're obviously not going to change each others views on this subject. unfortunately, this woman who "leeches" off of typed notes may in fact fail her nclex. that's the state's decision, not mine.
respectfully,
dani