Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 8/18/2021 at 2:14 PM, jive turkey said:

Do you write prescriptions for patients you've never seen without knowing their medical history? Knowing their allergies?  Having at least accesss to their chart if you've never evaluated them.

when you evaluate somebody and then write a prescription that makes complete sense and I wholeheartedly agree with you. But you are not evaluating me you don't know my medical history and you are not my provider. 

  What's asinine is I have to explain something so simple to somebody who knows better. Let's refrain from using derogatory terms to describe each other or arguments. if you can't do that then we can stop interacting and you can just "be right"

 

 

Do you really believe that Covid shots are being given without a brief medical history and a list of allergies from the jabee? Just goes to show that you have no idea of what you are talking about.  You do not get your jjab before doing your paperwork is completed.

[anewsns]

Preventing my own death from covid is only my secondary reason for getting the vaccine. It will take 70% of people to have antibodies (vaccine or infection) to greatly slow this infection and prevent thousands more from dying. Since getting the vaccine is much safer than getting the virus, my answer is clear. Drugs can have long term side effects, vaccines in history do not. If you are going to have effects they will be soon after the vaccine, not later, and we already know about how long the vaccine stays in our system and short term effects. Antibodies from getting the virus are proving to stay strong for 8 months. (I don't know how quickly they drop off entirely.) Antibodies from the vaccine start to slowly decline after 6 months (Like, will be 84 percent instead of 96 percent for instance, still much more effective than flu shots most years.) While evidence is still emerging on how long antibodies from the vaccine last, they predict it could be decently effective for a year or more after the vaccine. I think 70 percent of people getting the vaccine each year is more effective to improve outcomes  than us all taking turns getting the virus all the time. which will still continue to kill many people and with variable/labile rates of immunity at any given time. The second way seems like Hunger Games to me. "May the odds be EVER in your favor!"

Edit: Not to mention, the natural immunity method will tie up whole states worth of ICU beds much of the time, causing more people to die of other illnesses due to lack of care. No brainer to me. 

[jive turkey]

10 hours ago, subee said:

Do you really believe that Covid shots are being given without a brief medical history and a list of allergies from the jabee? Just goes to show that you have no idea of what you are talking about.  You do not get your jjab before doing your paperwork is completed.

You're all in the kool aid n don't know the flavor. ?

I know good n well they don't.  

This was based on an argument made personal by another poster that I don't wish to explain over

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

You're all in the kool aid n don't know the flavor. ?

I know good n well they don't.  

This was based on an argument made personal by another poster that I don't wish to explain over

So when you administer covid vaccines you aren't reviewing allergies with the recipient as a portion of the assessment and informed consent? 

[jive turkey]

10 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

C'mon macawake, you know it is much more fun for Jive Turkey to imagine that they are being insulted personally whenever someone points out the flaws in their argument. That way they get to play the victim and feel superior because "everyone is stupid" or that "no-one understands me" (remember that from adolescence?).

They are deliberately misrepresenting every reply and making it sound as if everyone else is being bullying and abusive. All while never quite managing to actually post evidence that supports their position despite multiple requests to do so.

So to Jive Turkey I make this request; Please give us references that supports your position or at least tells us what you are trying to make us understand because we are now 16 pages into this and I have no idea what you are trying to tell me. (And before you say I am stupid etc. I gained my degree from one of the better British universities so have a bit of understanding).

Grumpy, you need not qualify yourself with your education to gain immunity from being called stupid. 

It is beneath me to resort to juvenile name calling in response to someone with a counterargument. 

When I call people out for personal attacks I don't use it as a crutch to cry victim as you suggest.  When someone specifically calls someone out their name, makes presumptions about their thoughts/feelings (like you just did), or labels them in response to having a different opinion that's not right.  You don't need me to help you discern between someone making a good counter argument vs someone trying to be insulting. 

I've already posted what I considered a valid reason for an individual not to IMO. I'm not doing it again.  Feel free to look for it and counter it.  It's a long thread so no sweat off my back if you don't.   

[toomuchbaloney]

Apart from medical contradiction there really aren't valid reasons to remain unvaccinated at this point in time.  There certainly have been no valid reasons to not vaccinate published or discussed in this thread. 

[iNurs5, CNA]

My "reason not to get vaccinated" are

1.  There are no existence of the COVID-19 viruses.

2. Medical issue

3. Allergic reaction that leads to disabilities or deaths. 

"Nationally, 97% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, as of July 22. Vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and are also effective in fighting against the Delta variant."

[jive turkey]

12 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

My "reason not to get vaccinated" are

1.  There are no existence of the COVID-19 viruses.

2. Medical issue

3. Allergic reaction that leads to disabilities or deaths. 

 

Yes.  I figured those reasons were tacitly understood

[toomuchbaloney]

20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Yes.  I figured those reasons were tacitly understood

Do you believe that there are other valid reasons to not vaccinate against covid?

[FutureNP90]

35 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

My "reason not to get vaccinated" are

1.  There are no existence of the COVID-19 viruses.

2. Medical issue

3. Allergic reaction that leads to disabilities or deaths. 

"Nationally, 97% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, as of July 22. Vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and are also effective in fighting against the Delta variant."

Am I reading this wrong or is the first reason sarcasm? LOL just making sure (not trying to be rude or "smart")

21 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Yes.  I figured those reasons were tacitly understood

If the first reason is sarcasm, Turkey you know you are the butt of the joke right?

 

As @toomuchbaloney mentioned, aside from medical contraindication, there are no valid reasons to not be vaccinated for the disease in question during a pandemic. We cannot control viral load and therefore immune response if we just let people who have contracted covid not be vaccinated. By getting the vaccine you you are removing that variable. We are applying what we learned in Bio 101 to real life. What was the point of you doing all of this education and learning factual scientific information, if you are going to let unsubstantiated beliefs let you make decisions that directly affect public health? Getting vaccinated literally the only way we will push through this pandemic (aside from letting people with Covid die off). This virus is running rampant through the unvaccinated and mutating, every wave that we have will continue to develop variants until the virus has changed so much that we have to develop a whole new vaccine.

Getting vaccinated isn't just about YOU, its about your community, your patients, your children, and the immunocompromised. 

[jive turkey]

14 minutes ago, FutureNP90 said:

1. If the first reason is sarcasm, Turkey you know you are the butt of the joke right?

 

2. As @toomuchbaloney mentioned, aside from medical contraindication, there are no valid reasons to not be vaccinated for the disease in question during a pandemic. We cannot control viral load and therefore immune response if we just let people who have contracted covid not be vaccinated. By getting the vaccine you you are removing that variable. We are applying what we learned in Bio 101 to real life. What was the point of you doing all of this education and learning factual scientific information, if you are going to let unsubstantiated beliefs let you make decisions that directly affect public health? Getting vaccinated literally the only way we will push through this pandemic (aside from letting people with Covid die off). This virus is running rampant through the unvaccinated and mutating, every wave that we have will continue to develop variants until the virus has changed so much that we have to develop a whole new vaccine.

Getting vaccinated isn't just about YOU, its about your community, your patients, your children, and the immunocompromised. 

1. So? ?

2. There are those seeing the discussion later on and didn't read any or all of what I've said. The fact you're addressing me and my vaccination decisions directly leads me to believe this applies to you.  

The concerns I did express were about people who've had COVID, and how effective vaccination would be for them.   

 

[macawake, MSN]

26 minutes ago, FutureNP90 said:

We are applying what we learned in Bio 101 to real life. What was the point of you doing all of this education and learning factual scientific information, if you are going to let unsubstantiated beliefs let you make decisions that directly affect public health?

This is exactly what I have been wondering for the past eight months or so when I’ve been arguing with numerous posters. It’s not a discussion I ever expected to have on a nursing forum. Quite frankly, it’s embarrassing to behold. 

 

The following is 100% true ??

26 minutes ago, FutureNP90 said:

Getting vaccinated isn't just about YOU, its about your community, your patients, your children, and the immunocompromised.