Vaccination Mandating

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

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8 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

The following is from the CDC website:

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of October 6, 2021, more than 15 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 47 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS.  Women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen. Learn more about J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS.

To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 382 million doses of  mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 15 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 228 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of October 6, 2021. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.

Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of October 6, 2021, VAERS has received 1,640 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 926 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 403 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,638 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

The magic word here is "plausible."  We've been proven wrong so many times.  So what's your point?  Almost all medication have rare side effects.  Does that mean we should discourage people from taking a vaccine during a pandemic causing world wide pain and disruption?   More people die yearly from Tylenol overdoses. Many, many more people and yet it is still a rare occurrence. If you want to reduce your risk to 0 (and you obviously are looking for something around that number), then just die now before you fall down the stairs, a tree lands on your car or your house is smashed by a spaceship.   Pandemic is not a pretty word - no good comes from one.

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2 hours ago, RJMDilts said:

The following is from the CDC website:

For public awareness and in the interest of transparency, CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

Since this information was shared in response to my remark I'll simply point out that nothing that you posted changes the reality that the other posting member does not possess the information to decide that a death is directly related to vaccination. We all are aware of potential risks associated with medications and vaccines...we're nurses, remember.  It's irresponsible to attribute an unexpected death to a vaccine based on a feeling or belief. 

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3 hours ago, subee said:

The magic word here is "plausible."  We've been proven wrong so many times.  So what's your point?  Almost all medication have rare side effects.  Does that mean we should discourage people from taking a vaccine during a pandemic causing world wide pain and disruption?   More people die yearly from Tylenol overdoses. Many, many more people and yet it is still a rare occurrence. If you want to reduce your risk to 0 (and you obviously are looking for something around that number), then just die now before you fall down the stairs, a tree lands on your car or your house is smashed by a spaceship.   Pandemic is not a pretty word - no good comes from one.

Plausible is a magic word? This information is from the CDC. My point was simply to provide the information available that shows there are valid concerns about the vaccine. Nothing more, nothing less. I got it from the CDC. If that bothers you, that is your problem. We really don't know how many have died as a result of reactions to the various COVID vaccines. I do agree the numbers will be very low. At least someone at the CDC has the intellectual honesty to put the data out there That was my point. Who said I want the risk to be zero? I have had the anthrax vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, and typhoid vaccine. I am not concerned about vaccine safety. I am getting ready to get my booster. That would be the 3rd dose

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Since this information was shared in response to my remark I'll simply point out that nothing that you posted changes the reality that the other posting member does not possess the information to decide that a death is directly related to vaccination. We all are aware of potential risks associated with medications and vaccines...we're nurses, remember.  It's irresponsible to attribute an unexpected death to a vaccine based on a feeling or belief. 

It's also responsible to provide all available information so that Joe Public see that no one is trying to hide anything and therefore can trust the information he gets from folks who are professional. To summarily dismiss out of hand can also be misconstrued by others. I simply wanted to share the readily available data from the CDC. I would think, at the end of the day, the actual numbers of deaths directly linked to the various COVID vaccines are going to be very low and obviously statistically insignificant when compared to the number saved by the vaccine. But an "unexpected" death of an otherwise healthy individual after receiving a vaccine would certainly warrant investigation, wouldn't you agree? Especially in the case of J&J and TTS.

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17 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

Plausible is a magic word? This information is from the CDC. My point was simply to provide the information available that shows there are valid concerns about the vaccine. Nothing more, nothing less. I got it from the CDC. If that bothers you, that is your problem. We really don't know how many have died as a result of reactions to the various COVID vaccines. I do agree the numbers will be very low. At least someone at the CDC has the intellectual honesty to put the data out there That was my point. Who said I want the risk to be zero? I have had the anthrax vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, and typhoid vaccine. I am not concerned about vaccine safety. I am getting ready to get my booster. That would be the 3rd dose

And there are valid concerns about Tylenol.   No one said there weren't concerns about the vaccine.  How could anyone not have ANY concerns?  But I have much more concern about vaccine hesitancy which you seem to promote here, than I do with having to stick my bicep up for a jab.  Hesitancy is more dangerous than non-hesitancy.  And I think every nurse in this forum is aware of what is in the package insert or knows how to look it up.  Do you think otherwise?

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5 minutes ago, RJMDilts said:

It's also responsible to provide all available information so that Joe Public see that no one is trying to hide anything and therefore can trust the information he gets from folks who are professional. To summarily dismiss out of hand can also be misconstrued by others. I simply wanted to share the readily available data from the CDC. I would think, at the end of the day, the actual numbers of deaths directly linked to the various COVID vaccines are going to be very low and obviously statistically insignificant when compared to the number saved by the vaccine. But an "unexpected" death of an otherwise healthy individual after receiving a vaccine would certainly warrant investigation, wouldn't you agree? Especially in the case of J&J and TTS.

Please point out where I said any side effects shouldn't be investigated.  Nor did I tell anyone to go die.  

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3 hours ago, RJMDilts said:

But an "unexpected" death of an otherwise healthy individual after receiving a vaccine would certainly warrant investigation, wouldn't you agree?

Is there some suggestion that there wouldn't be a proper investigation? Or are you just implying that this information about potential side effects is suppressed by experts and investigations into unexpected deaths after vaccination are generally not warranted?

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By Meryl Kornfield and Annabelle Timsit

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/16/hospital-covid-vaccine-mandate/

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At Houston Methodist — one of the first American health-care institutions to require workers to get vaccinated against the coronavirus — the backlash was short-lived.
More than 150 employees were fired. There were legal battles and protests. But President and CEO Marc Boom has no regrets: 98 percent of staff have been vaccinated, and they and patients are safer as a result, he said.
“I can unequivocally say [it was] the best decision we ever made,” Boom said in an interview.

Employer mandates work. 

 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/16/hospital-covid-vaccine-mandate/

Employer mandates work. 

 

Houston Methodist has approximately 7500 employees terminating 158 for choosing not to vaccinate and already rehired most of those FTE positions. Btw it’s getting old hearing “so many healthcare workers are choosing not to be vaccinated” does not correlate w the statistics, they are the fringe of healthcare employees. Employer mandates work.

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7 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

Houston Methodist has approximately 7500 employees terminating 158 for choosing not to vaccinate and already rehired most of those FTE positions. Btw it’s getting old hearing “so many healthcare workers are choosing not to be vaccinated” does not correlate w the statistics, they are the fringe of healthcare employees. Employer mandates work.

The antivaxxers wouldn't have any argument if they couldn't use hyperbole, misinformation or fabrication to support their feelings. 

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On 10/13/2021 at 10:26 PM, RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN said:

But an "unexpected" death of an otherwise healthy individual after receiving a vaccine would certainly warrant investigation,

Unexpected deaths are investigated.

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13 hours ago, hherrn said:

Unexpected deaths are investigated.

Yes!  How would they have known that the COD was stroke if they didn't investigate it?

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