Vaccination Mandating

klone, MSN, RN · Sep 24, 2021

On 9/17/2021 at 7:24 PM, pclaybrooke said:

things can be highly recommended, but to mandate “or else” is not what we do in America

LOL! Guess you're wrong, because we're doing it.

We have never done it before because we've never lived through a pandemic. Modern. problems call. for modern. solutions (sorry, my period key is broken).

klone, MSN, RN · Sep 24, 2021

I've only read the first page of comments. Our organization (very large health network in the upper midwest). is mandating the vaccine. They previously did not go as far as to say what would happen if you didn't get it, but there's a big leadership meeting next week, and I suspect we will learn that everyone. who doesn't get. it will be terminated. Luckily, all of my people finally got it. But there are other locations that will be decimated.

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listless reads · Sep 25, 2021

On 9/23/2021 at 9:47 AM, subee said:

Did you read the qualifier at the top of the article? Is wasn't taken from the Lancet. It's a non- peer-reviewd article that was merely submitted, not printed. rints with The Lancet is part of SSRN´s First Look, a place where journals identify content of interest prior to publication. Authors have opted in at submission to The Lancet family of journals to post their preprints on Preprints with The Lancet. The usual SSRN checks and a Lancet-specific check for appropriateness and transparency have been applied. Preprints available here are not Lancet publications or necessarily under review with a Lancet journal. These preprints are early stage research papers that have not been peer-reviewed. The findings should not be used for clinical or public health decision making and should not be presented to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed.

You have been caught reading this article as a layman:)

...LOL but the study had to be conducted. whether it was published by the lancet is a mute point

"laymen"

listless reads · Sep 25, 2021

17 hours ago, klone said:

LOL! Guess you're wrong, because we're doing it.

We have never done it before because we've never lived through a pandemic. Modern. problems call. for modern. solutions (sorry, my period key is broken).

Ah yes, Good ole socialism.

"be alive to the fatal notions of emergency and exception. Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary."

toomuchbaloney · Sep 25, 2021

10 minutes ago, listless reads said:

Ah yes, Good ole socialism

Patriots are vaccinating and encouraging vaccination. Socialism is irrelevant to this discussion.

listless reads · Sep 25, 2021

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Patriots are vaccinating and encouraging vaccination.

"patriot" is subjective. History doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

Home of the free until you're not.

heron, ASN, RN · Sep 25, 2021

5 hours ago, listless reads said:

Ah yes, Good ole socialism.

"be alive to the fatal notions of emergency and exception. Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary."

5 hours ago, listless reads said:

"patriot" is subjective. History doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

Home of the free until you're not.

What on earth are you talking about?

RETNAVYTHENMEDIC2RN, ADN, RN, EMT-P · Sep 25, 2021

On 9/24/2021 at 7:12 AM, klone said:

LOL! Guess you're wrong, because we're doing it.

We have never done it before because we've never lived through a pandemic. Modern. problems call. for modern. solutions (sorry, my period key is broken).

Actually, that is incorrect. We have been through three in the past 60 years:

1957-58 H3N2 Overall, it killed 1.1. million people, including 116,000 Americans. (CDC, 2018 & Foxnews.com, 2020)

1968 H2N2 The 1968 pandemic killed an estimated 1 million people -- 100,000 in the U.S. Most of the deaths were people age 65 or older. (CDC, 2018 & Foxnews.com, 2020)

2009 H1N1 Around 61 million cases were reported between April 2009 and April 2010, according to the CDC. Worldwide more than 575,000 people died from the illness. 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)(CDC, 2018 & Foxnews.com 2020)

References:

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD). (2018) https://www.CDC.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/basics/past-pandemics.html

Deadliest pandemics in modern history. (FOXNEWS 13MAR2020). https://www.foxnews.com/health/deadliest-pandemics-in-modern-history

klone, MSN, RN · Sep 25, 2021

I should have said that we’ve never been through a pandemic of this scale. I.e. quarantines, lockdowns, cessation of air travel, in-person schooling and workplaces coming to a grinding halt, etc. I think you know what I mean.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 25, 2021

10 hours ago, listless reads said:

Ah yes, Good ole socialism.

"be alive to the fatal notions of emergency and exception. Be angry about the treacherous use of patriotic vocabulary."

Layman is a word. Look it up. Are you more than one person?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 25, 2021

10 hours ago, listless reads said:

"patriot" is subjective. History doesn't repeat, it rhymes.

Home of the free until you're not.

There is where one inserts the theme song to The Twilight Zone: