Using Your Nursing Credentials to Validate Anti-Vaxxer Theories

[Helen Crump]

As nurses we are supposed to understand and follow science. Yet all over the country nurses are using their background to validate crackpot theories about Covid and the vaccine. Should there be consequences for leading an effort to hurt the public health? After all, it violates basic nursing ethics in particular, do no harm. Should boards of nurses sanction these people or should the ANA or other associations put out a statement saying these folk don't represent us?

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

Not referring to the timing of any mandate. The EUA was issued only a short time ago. I meant to refer to the systematic promotion of distrust of any authority, education, or publishing that has demonstrably swept our nation since 2016. My point was, however imperfectly made, that current “vaccine hesitancy” did not occur in past instances of effective vaccination; on the contrary, people were thrilled. Now, with everything viewed thru a political lens, we get people who don’t believe the science or any medium that reports it, the print, broadcast, or crowdsourced . (Note, not “believe in…” It’s not a religion.)

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

3 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

Do you believe that covid vaccination is safe and effective? 

At this time I do not know what the long term effects on the body will be just like everyone else. Is it effective, that is a relative judgement because one knows if they are effective over the long term. If this was the case there would be no discussion about booster shots starting soon. 
 

Are you able to tell your patients that these vaccines will not have any long term effects and long term effectiveness?  You can tell them that you believe there will be no long term effects which for most people it will be, but what about the few it could have devastating effects?  Can you also tell them that we will not need to get boosters or how often?   

3 minutes ago, Hannahbanana said:

Not referring to the timing of any mandate. The EUA was issued only a short time ago. I meant to refer to the systematic promotion of distrust of any authority, education, or publishing that has demonstrably swept our nation since 2016. My point was, however imperfectly made, that current “vaccine hesitancy” did not occur in past instances of effective vaccination; on the contrary, people were thrilled. Now, with everything viewed thru a political lens, we get people who don’t believe the science or any medium that reports it, the print, broadcast, or crowdsourced . (Note, not “believe in…” It’s not a religion.)

I would say since 2008 instead of 2016. 

[BostonFNP, APRN]

3 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

At this time I do not know what the long term effects on the body will be just like everyone else. Is it effective, that is a relative judgement because one knows if they are effective over the long term. If this was the case there would be no discussion about booster shots starting soon. 
 

Are you able to tell your patients that these vaccines will not have any long term effects and long term effectiveness?  You can tell them that you believe there will be no long term effects which for most people it will be, but what about the few it could have devastating effects?  Can you also tell them that we will not need to get boosters or how often?   

You didn't answer the question. 

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Do you believe that covid vaccination is safe and effective? 

 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

Just now, BostonFNP said:

You didn't answer the question. 

 

As I stated no one knows if they are safe and effective in the long term. 

[BostonFNP, APRN]

Just now, Jeckrn1 said:

As I stated no one knows if they are safe and effective in the long term. 

Why can't you just say "no I don't"? That seems to be your answer?

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

5 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

Why can't you just say "no I don't"? That seems to be your answer?

Just like you can not say the are safe and effective in the long term. 
Does the vaccines appear to be safe in the short term yes. Long term safety and effectiveness we will have to wait and see. 

[Guest219794]

24 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

I think that anyone that is talking with patients right now about vaccines are hearing the same thing: politico-media rubbish excuses.

The problem is, some of the people spewing this nonsense are nurses talking to patients about vaccines.  Imagine the harm being done by some of the posters here.  Nurses are considered trustworthy when it comes to health issues, and when somebody with "RN" on their name tag echos the facebook feeds these vulnerable, gullible patients have been devouring, it kills a certain number of them.

 

[Jeckrn1, ADN, BSN]

1 minute ago, hherrn said:

The problem is, some of the people spewing this nonsense are nurses talking to patients about vaccines.  Imagine the harm being done by some of the posters here.  Nurses are considered trustworthy when it comes to health issues, and when somebody with "RN" on their name tag echos the facebook feeds these vulnerable, gullible patients have been devouring, it kills a certain number of them.

 

It is also the responsibility of nurses to tell people we do not know the long term effects, not just theses vaccines, but any of any treatment that we do not know what the long term effects will be. 

[BostonFNP, APRN]

37 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

At this time I do not know what the long term effects on the body will be just like everyone else. Is it effective, that is a relative judgement because one knows if they are effective over the long term. If this was the case there would be no discussion about booster shots starting soon. 
 

Are you able to tell your patients that these vaccines will not have any long term effects and long term effectiveness?  You can tell them that you believe there will be no long term effects which for most people it will be, but what about the few it could have devastating effects?  Can you also tell them that we will not need to get boosters or how often?   

In the entire history of vaccination we have never seen a non-live vaccine have latent onset of serious side effects. There is no proposed or theoretical mechanism by which a vaccine could cause latent onset adverse effects.

The data on covid vaccine efficacy is irrefutable. The need for a booster shot does not negate that.

I can and do tell patients that getting vaccinated is safe and protects them and their love ones from illness, serious illness, and death. Vaccines are more than 80% effective against needing to go to the ED, more than 85% effective at preventing hospitalization, and more than 90% effective in preventing death. That we have given more than 350 million doses and side effects are generally mild and serious side effects are rare.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

6 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

It is also the responsibility of nurses to tell people we do not know the long term effects, not just theses vaccines, but any of any treatment that we do not know what the long term effects will be. 

Give us the mechanism by which a vaccine could cause latent onset adverse effects. 

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

Saw this today on my Twitter feed:

Says it all. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, Jeckrn1 said:

Just like you can not say the are safe and effective in the long term. 
Does the vaccines appear to be safe in the short term yes. Long term safety and effectiveness we will have to wait and see. 

The vaccines are safe and effective and there's no valid reason to fear that they will cause future harm.