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The government here is very aware of what is going on with the world right now. Thank you.

But why in the world should the US be required to open their doors when the other does not hold true in reverse? An American nurse cannot go to the Philippines and get licensed, even if they attended school there. So why should the US have an open door policy because a government can't seem to do things correctly?

The UK as well as the rest of the EU all have hiring freezes in place and jobs must first go to their own citizens. That is what is happening now in the US as well as the fact that we have had a retrogression for more than two years already.

There is no country that has unlimited visas for nurses, never has been one either anyplace.

Comment all you like aboutt the US, but the Uk is a completely different ball game, we have an acute nurse shortage and most trusts in the Uk are still hiring and there is certainly no job freeze where i work and if there was it would have nothing to do with the world economy but because an individual trust has spent all there budget. The NHS here is funded by the government not privately. You can scare people all you want about the Us but you obviously have no clue about the UK let alone the rest of the EU nurses from other Eu countries are coming to the UK and leaving there own countries short
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Can I just stick my oar in from a UK perspective, I reguarly shortlist and interview for nursing jobs within the NHS, and HR will not allow me to even see overseas applications let alone consider them for interview, the jobs shortage does depend on where you work. The region that I work in you cannot find work for love nor money. There are no jobs, in any areas because of financial difficulties that the trusts are experiencing. I know this is a similar picture in neighbouring regions as well. Our nursing students are not able to easily find work.

Unless non-EU applicants already have a work VISA, legally we are not allowed to offer them an interview, that's not an NHS thing that is a government requirment, jobs have to go to UK then EU citizens first before we are allowed to consider overseas applicants.

I agree that the recession will not directly affect NHS jobs, because the NHS has been in financial crisis long before the country.

Please have a good read at one of the short-lists and see the statement at the bottom of it concerning immigration and visas.

Then come back and tell me that I do not know what I am speaking of.

Correct me if i am wrong but again you are way off the point this thread is recession and retrogression the immigration policy of the UK has nothing to do with US Recession and retrogression. My hospital is still employing Nurses and in fact Domestics from s.e asia. Hospitals in the UK are dictated by there individual budgets and not byworld recession and i work and live in the Uk so don't try and tell me i don't know what i am talking about. There is a nursing shortage in the UK and the UK goverment will always look for cheap quick fixes which in the past and the future will be nurses from outside the EU and these nurse will always be welcome in UK hospitals because we need them
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Correct me if i am wrong but again you are way off the point this thread is recession and retrogression the immigration policy of the UK has nothing to do with US Recession and retrogression. My hospital is still employing Nurses and in fact Domestics from s.e asia. Hospitals in the UK are dictated by there individual budgets and not byworld recession and i work and live in the Uk so don't try and tell me i don't know what i am talking about. There is a nursing shortage in the UK and the UK goverment will always look for cheap quick fixes which in the past and the future will be nurses from outside the EU and these nurse will always be welcome in UK hospitals because we need them

You are quite right about the thread being about recession and retrogression, the posts that are not related to US recession and retrogression have been split into a thread of it's own.

Please could I ask that any discussion is respectful

learning the English language will be a major obstacle for EU nurses to practice in the U.K.

correct me if i'm wrong but as far as i know they should pass the IELTS first and then go on the adaptation course before they can practice as a nurse.

and considering the number of Eastern europeans going back to their country because of the U.K.'s high cost of living, i don't think EU nurses will still find it worth their trouble to come to the U.K.

Sorry.. posted this in the wrong thread....

Actually if one holds a passport from the EU, then all of the requirements do not exist that others need to go thru. Language and licensure issues are by the wayside. Many from other EU countries already speak English as well.

And on a side note to this, it does not matter if a facility is hiring in the UK. The issue is that the government is not issuing any visas for nurses. If one has been there for sometime and has permanent residency there, then no issue for them to get a job. But even just a few months ago, there was much written in the papers in the UK about quite a few from the Philippines as well as other countries that had been there for a period of four years but were not getting their visas renewed. And as for domestics, no one wants to work as a maid if they have a four year university degree.

When one is a citizen of the EU, they can work in any country that they wish. Even a nurse from the UK can work in France without having to take the language exam. But if you are from outside the EU, then all of the other requirements need to be met and this is the point that I am trying to make here. They want their citizens to come first.

Hiring of a domestic which is a fancy name for a maid has nothing to do with nursing.

It does not matter that a facility is hiring, but the fact that they do not issue visas. There are quite a few threads as well as articles about a large number of nurses in the UK that had been there for a full four years that were not getting their visas renewed last year as the government was not issuing or renewing a visa. It is one thing if they already had a visa, but none are being issued now from what we have been hearing for quite sometime. And this most definitely covers those from SE Asia. One needs to have significant experience in the area that they are being hired for and that area needs to have a shortage.

You may be speaking of one facility, but I am talking about what is going on in the rest of the country. One of the reasons why there are so many Brits that wish to come to the US is that they were having problems finding work in their region.

Specializes in Advanced Practice, surgery.
Correct me if i am wrong but again you are way off the point this thread is recession and retrogression the immigration policy of the UK has nothing to do with US Recession and retrogression. My hospital is still employing Nurses and in fact Domestics from s.e asia. Hospitals in the UK are dictated by there individual budgets and not byworld recession and i work and live in the Uk so don't try and tell me i don't know what i am talking about. There is a nursing shortage in the UK and the UK goverment will always look for cheap quick fixes which in the past and the future will be nurses from outside the EU and these nurse will always be welcome in UK hospitals because we need them

Topscot, I am curious about the work permits these nurses and domestics have, if you look at the immigration pages, unless you work within a occupation that is listed as in shortage then work permits are not issued, I doubt that your facility is practicing illegally so I assume that these people you mention have a VISA that allows them to work from before the immigration restrictions were put into place.

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Hiring of a domestic which is a fancy name for a maid has nothing to do with nursing.

It does not matter that a facility is hiring, but the fact that they do not issue visas. There are quite a few threads as well as articles about a large number of nurses in the UK that had been there for a full four years that were not getting their visas renewed last year as the government was not issuing or renewing a visa. It is one thing if they already had a visa, but none are being issued now from what we have been hearing for quite sometime. And this most definitely covers those from SE Asia. One needs to have significant experience in the area that they are being hired for and that area needs to have a shortage.

You may be speaking of one facility, but I am talking about what is going on in the rest of the country. One of the reasons why there are so many Brits that wish to come to the US is that they were having problems finding work in their region.

Suzanne, i was the only filipino/british RGN that came to US with a fellow Northern Brit from CHESHIRE that was CGFNS certified ALSO a couple of Irish RGNs from Dublin back in 1991. They just conducted phone interview and off we go to USA and was met on a black limo by US REP and got a lot of free housing and stuff...THE IRISH RGNS that came to USA said they cant find a job in DUBLIN and moving to CENTRAL LONDON was way too expensive with low grade salaries...and same reason as not being able to find a job in DUBLIN....

i was recruited from MAIDSTONE, KENT..and other brit RGN CGFNS certified nurse that arrived same time as me came for the reason that nurses there in UK were overworked/underpaid etc.....etc... the fellow true brit RGN friend of mine worked in both US AIRFORCE and NHS HOSPITAL.

there was no recession in MAIDSTONE, KENTwhen i left the NHS for US in 1991...but the taxes there were way too much...i worked and trained in NHS hospital....i still hang out with my fellow BRIT nurse friends who oriented with me and never one of them wanted to move back to GOOD OLD ENGLAND ....GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...:nurse:

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...but none are being issued now from what we have been hearing for quite sometime.

I agree that for general nurses with little or no experience then obtaining a work visa for the UK is nearly impossible, but for those with specialist skills and years of experience, it can be done. As I said before, I work with an Australian nurse who obtained a Tier 2 visa in September of this year,

"The skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) is for people coming to the United Kingdom with a skilled job offer to fill a gap in the workforce that cannot be filled by a settled worker."...if there is a nursing job that requires specialist skills and the trust cannot find a UK citizen or existing work permit holder to fill the post, then they WILL look elsewhere.

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I work with nurses from the Philipines, India and Spain to name a few countries, but it is absolutely ages since we had any new starters from abroad.

I agree that for general nurses with little or no experience then obtaining a work visa for the UK is nearly impossible, but for those with specialist skills and years of experience, it can be done. As I said before, I work with an Australian nurse who obtained a Tier 2 visa in September of this year,

"The skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) is for people coming to the United Kingdom with a skilled job offer to fill a gap in the workforce that cannot be filled by a settled worker."...if there is a nursing job that requires specialist skills and the trust cannot find a UK citizen or existing work permit holder to fill the post, then they WILL look elsewhere.

The issue is that the nurses that are wishing to apply there are essentially new grads or without any type of experience that would be accepted and this is the point that I am trying to make. And I repeatedly have stated that one has to have significant experience in an area where there is a shortage. Nurses from the Philippines have not been able to get visas there for close to two years and the visas were not renewed the year before last for many that were there that did not get permanent residency while they were there.

Again, jobs need to go first to those from the UK, then if they are unable find someone there with the experience, then and only then can the job be offered out of the country/EU. Even for Americans to go there, they cannot get hired as new grad, and they need significant work experience as well.

Those that are from the Philippines that are doing much of the posting on this site do not have the type of experience that the UK requires. Even with the programs that you are seeing posted here for those from the Philippines to go there for a second degree, they are still unable to do anything more than the one year after just like the OPT in the US.

Does not matter what a hospital will offer, but the issue is that of immigration and they have made it quite hard there to do. Unless one is from the EU or has significant work experience, you are not going to see them get a visa and that is what I have been stating all along.

Thanks for seeing it my way and reinforcing what I have been stating.

Hiring of a domestic which is a fancy name for a maid has nothing to do with nursing.

It does not matter that a facility is hiring, but the fact that they do not issue visas. There are quite a few threads as well as articles about a large number of nurses in the UK that had been there for a full four years that were not getting their visas renewed last year as the government was not issuing or renewing a visa. It is one thing if they already had a visa, but none are being issued now from what we have been hearing for quite sometime. And this most definitely covers those from SE Asia. One needs to have significant experience in the area that they are being hired for and that area needs to have a shortage.

You may be speaking of one facility, but I am talking about what is going on in the rest of the country. One of the reasons why there are so many Brits that wish to come to the US is that they were having problems finding work in their region.

Domestic is a professsional name maid in my opinion is quite disrespectful, in my experiance Brits myself included move abroad for a new experiance not for money and certainly not because of a lack of opportunities here. Where i live in Scotland there is desperate need for trained nurses. My ward is running very understaffed and we have alot of indian staff who are very good

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