UK Immigration / recession discussion

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The government here is very aware of what is going on with the world right now. Thank you.

But why in the world should the US be required to open their doors when the other does not hold true in reverse? An American nurse cannot go to the Philippines and get licensed, even if they attended school there. So why should the US have an open door policy because a government can't seem to do things correctly?

The UK as well as the rest of the EU all have hiring freezes in place and jobs must first go to their own citizens. That is what is happening now in the US as well as the fact that we have had a retrogression for more than two years already.

There is no country that has unlimited visas for nurses, never has been one either anyplace.

Comment all you like aboutt the US, but the Uk is a completely different ball game, we have an acute nurse shortage and most trusts in the Uk are still hiring and there is certainly no job freeze where i work and if there was it would have nothing to do with the world economy but because an individual trust has spent all there budget. The NHS here is funded by the government not privately. You can scare people all you want about the Us but you obviously have no clue about the UK let alone the rest of the EU nurses from other Eu countries are coming to the UK and leaving there own countries short
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Comment all you like aboutt the US, but the Uk is a completely different ball game, we have an acute nurse shortage and most trusts in the Uk are still hiring and there is certainly no job freeze where i work and if there was it would have nothing to do with the world economy but because an individual trust has spent all there budget. The NHS here is funded by the government not privately. You can scare people all you want about the Us but you obviously have no clue about the UK let alone the rest of the EU nurses from other Eu countries are coming to the UK and leaving there own countries short

I must say I have to agree with you topscot. When I came back from Oz there was no shortage of jobs for me to apply for, most trusts have a nurse shortage, I havent seen a job freeze anywhere. I looked into at least 15 trusts and available jobs before I settled on the one I have now. It might be a little harder for new grads, but theres certainly no shortage of jobs for experienced nurses. The NHS jobs website: http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch has over 3000 nurse jobs and thats just in acute trusts, theres primary care and the private sector that aren't included in there. I guess recession in the UK does not impact so much on the NHS, because as topscot says, it is a government funded operation, profit or lack of it doesnt factor into it. The government foots the bill and will continue to do so throughout any recession. Sure, nursing has been taken off the UK skills shortage, but that doesn't stop immigration from other EU countries.

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The issue is the UK has to employ UK then EU before the rest of the world and if you look at job adverts most will say they will not assist in obtaining a work permit. Sharrie one of the other moderators who works in the UK has posted several times that if not from the UK/EU then unless the job meets requirements and on a shortage list then the applicant is not short-listed. EU members are supposed to be able to move and work freely within the EU but if not from the EU then that is where issues arises

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The issue is the UK has to employ UK then EU before the rest of the world and if you look at job adverts most will say they will not assist in obtaining a work permit. Sharrie one of the other moderators who works in the UK has posted several times that if not from the UK/EU then unless the job meets requirements and on a shortage list then the applicant is not short-listed. EU members are supposed to be able to move and work freely within the EU but if not from the EU then that is where issues arises

Yes that is right, I think topscot was just trying to point out that there is no job freeze for nurses here in the UK. I work with an Australian nurse that came over to the UK a couple of months after I returned. She was able to get a Tier 2 visa, I have heard of a few others too.

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I know when I moved to Portsmouth for 2007 before moving to Canada there was very few jobs advertised so some areas will probably do better than others. Good to see jobs are picking up but still expect it to be hard if not from the EU. Looking at the tier 2 requirements I think things will get harder

What is the skilled worker category?

The skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) is for people coming to the United Kingdom with a skilled job offer to fill a gap in the workforce that cannot be filled by a settled worker.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier2/general/

Back to topic. I think there will always be periods of retrogression as depend from some countries are a lot higher than others, previous couple retrogressions only applied to PIC countries where this time it covers all countries.

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I know when I moved to Portsmouth for 2007 before moving to Canada there was very few jobs advertised so some areas will probably do better than others. Good to see jobs are picking up but still expect it to be hard if not from the EU. Looking at the tier 2 requirements I think things will get harder

What is the skilled worker category?

The skilled worker category (Tier 2 General) is for people coming to the United Kingdom with a skilled job offer to fill a gap in the workforce that cannot be filled by a settled worker.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier2/general/

Back to topic. I think there will always be periods of retrogression as depend from some countries are a lot higher than others, previous couple retrogressions only applied to PIC countries where this time it covers all countries.

My point is the lack of employment within an individual UK trust has nothing to do with the world wide credit problem but with the individual trusts budget. You will find alot of non EU nurses are being employed in Huge numbers in nursing homes and care facilities due to a chronic shortage in these facilities. Recession and retrogression has nothing to do with the UK's nursing jobs

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My point is the lack of employment within an individual UK trust has nothing to do with the world wide credit problem but with the individual trusts budget. You will find alot of non EU nurses are being employed in Huge numbers in nursing homes and care facilities due to a chronic shortage in these facilities. Recession and retrogression has nothing to do with the UK's nursing jobs

Would love to know how they are getting a work visa? Immigration is supposed to be getting harder for Non EU members

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Comment all you like aboutt the US, but the Uk is a completely different ball game, we have an acute nurse shortage and most trusts in the Uk are still hiring and there is certainly no job freeze where i work and if there was it would have nothing to do with the world economy but because an individual trust has spent all there budget. The NHS here is funded by the government not privately. You can scare people all you want about the Us but you obviously have no clue about the UK let alone the rest of the EU nurses from other Eu countries are coming to the UK and leaving there own countries short

Those from other EU countries can easily go to the UK, same as those from the UK can go to other EU countries.

If anyone from the US wishes to go to the UK to work, they are down after those from the UK and then those from other EU countries.

And then they have to have significant work experience in an area where they are short-listed as having a shortage.

I am very aware of what is happening in the UK at this time and what has happened in the past. The fact also remains that no nurse from SE Asia is also getting a visa to work there as an RN now either.

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I must say I have to agree with you topscot. When I came back from Oz there was no shortage of jobs for me to apply for, most trusts have a nurse shortage, I havent seen a job freeze anywhere. I looked into at least 15 trusts and available jobs before I settled on the one I have now. It might be a little harder for new grads, but theres certainly no shortage of jobs for experienced nurses. The NHS jobs website: http://www.jobs.nhs.uk/cgi-bin/advsearch has over 3000 nurse jobs and thats just in acute trusts, theres primary care and the private sector that aren't included in there. I guess recession in the UK does not impact so much on the NHS, because as topscot says, it is a government funded operation, profit or lack of it doesnt factor into it. The government foots the bill and will continue to do so throughout any recession. Sure, nursing has been taken off the UK skills shortage, but that doesn't stop immigration from other EU countries.

If you have citizenship there or have worked there in the past, that is a completely different thing. But if one is applying from another country, and not the UK or an EU country, then they are going to have issues with getting a job. Jobs first go to their citizens.

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Yes that is right, I think topscot was just trying to point out that there is no job freeze for nurses here in the UK. I work with an Australian nurse that came over to the UK a couple of months after I returned. She was able to get a Tier 2 visa, I have heard of a few others too.

Individual hospitals can have hiring freezes, it is never a national thing in the first place. That is not the point that we are trying to make here, but the fact that jobs are always going to go first to those from a specific country as a country is bound to look after their own citizens first and that is the only point that was ever made here in the first place. Also depends on the specialty of the individual nurse and if it is one area where there is a shortage. Check out the UK forum for specifics on the shortage list. I am very aware of what is on it.

But some like to twist it into what ever they wish.

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If a foreign nurse attends school in the UK now, the best that they can get offered is a one year program after they graduate, just like the OPT in the US; but afterwards they are unable to remain in the UK to work. They are not issuing visas to those that are new grads. Only those with work expereince in the area where there is the shortage, and it must be short-listed as well.

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Please have a good read at one of the short-lists and see the statement at the bottom of it concerning immigration and visas.

Then come back and tell me that I do not know what I am speaking of.

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