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Confirmation Hearings for the Trump's incredibly bad choices for cabinet leadership positions.  Traitors, drunks, rapists, pet killers and television personalities were the first choice of the mentally ill old man.  

My Senator, Dan Sullivan is all over his social media singing the praises of these folk so we should expect most of them to be confirmed.   

Hegseths hearing should be starting about now.  

 

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nursej22 said:

The public ought to be able to trust what government spokespeople say, but the last 10 months have shown they are less than truthful. For example, charges against protesters have been dismissed or acquitted when taken to court, in LA and Washington DC, because testimony was found not to be reliable. 

Are DHS personnel so inept as to be unable to detain someone away from a school during school hours? Perhaps, they are not sufficiently trained to actually protect the public, which they claim to do. 

https://wapo.st/47h99gA

Undocumented migrants are not criminals. Entering the US without documentation or overstaying a visa is a misdemeanor. 

https://us-ilc.com/undocumented-immigrants-are-not-criminals/

Many charges are dropped all the time for various reasons that have nothing to do with a person being innocent. Some DAs (esp in Liberal areas) do not want to prosecute for their own bias reasons. That doesn't mean that person was not guilty and won't go on to commit other crimes. I guess you don't see those cases on Liberal media. 
Umm, last time I checked a misdemeanor was in fact a criminal offense which makes it a crime, therefore the person who committed the misdemeanor crime is a criminal. Pretty straightforward is it not. Call them what you want but illegal aliens, undocumented migrants, people who are breaking the law by not leaving the Country when they should bc their visa expired are in fact criminals. 
And people who impede LEOs from doing their job and also breaking the law no matter what their reasons are. We have laws in place for a reason (just like every other Country on the planet) and individuals don't get to decide which ones they want to break without consequences. Sometimes those consequences are to themselves (getting arrested etc) and sometimes to other people (in these cases some of these criminals who escape go on to harm others). Personally I wouldn't want to be responsible for helping a criminal escape who could go on to hurt others, and one does not really know who will or won't. 
 


 

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nursej22 said:

Undocumented migrants are not criminals. Entering the US without documentation or overstaying a visa is a misdemeanor. 

https://us-ilc.com/undocumented-immigrants-are-not-criminals/

Coming here illegally is a misdemeanor the first time, and can be punishable with prison time.

Subsequent offenses are felonies.

So, like for almost every other country in the world,  entering illegally is indeed a crime.

And, youre confused and are even contradicting the article you provided.  Overstaying a visa is a civil violation.  Not a misdemeanor.  Detaining someone during the deportation process is allowed per our immigration laws.

nursej22 said:

I was referring to the plea to let children enjoy Halloween. You seem to have deemed them to be illegal aliens. I reject the term "illegal alien" as it is dehumanizing and denigrating. 

The ones here illegally are indeed illegal aliens.  You can reject it all you want.  However, it's a legal term written into our laws.  It was a perfectly acceptable term until the left decided it wasn't and that everyone should be mad about it.

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Undocumented people perform the jobs that native born Americans refuse to do: farm work, construction, housekeeping, eldercare. It has been well established that they are less likely to commit crime. 

Its a red herring to declare that DHS should be storming neighborhoods, raiding farms and dragging people out of vehicles in order to reduce crime. 

 

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Yep, it was the Biden Administration that tried to stop the use of the word "illegal alien" so I'm sure that republicans think that is being just too politically correct and the Trump administration that dislikes all things Biden stopped that early on.

I personally have stopped using it as I feel it dehumanizes the person, but freedom of speech and all so I keep my mouth shut when I hear it.  It's not a battle I get into.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/19/988789487/immigration-agencies-ordered-not-to-use-term-illegal-alien-under-new-biden-polic

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/trump-dhs-will-use-term-alien-instead-of-undocumented-noncitizen-memo-says-department-of-homeland-security

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Over 100  judges, including some appointed by Trump, have ruled against mandatory  detention policy. It's good to see the vast majority of the judiciary holding up the right to due process. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/31/trump-administration-mandatory-detention-deportation-00632086

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nursej22 said:

Undocumented people perform the jobs that native born Americans refuse to do: farm work, construction, housekeeping, eldercare. It has been well established that they are less likely to commit crime. 

So for all intents and purposes, you're for open borders.  

nursej22 said:

Its a red herring to declare that DHS should be storming neighborhoods, raiding farms and dragging people out of vehicles in order to reduce crime. 

If you're trying to say that DHS should be focusing on those illegal aliens who have committed other crimes. I'd agree with you.

Although, you were upset about them arresting one the other day because a Halloween celebration was canceled when the crowd protesting the arrest became unruly.  So, again it sounds like your with the open borders crowd.

nursej22 said:

Over 100  judges, including some appointed by Trump, have ruled against mandatory  detention policy. It's good to see the vast majority of the judiciary holding up the right to due process. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/31/trump-administration-mandatory-detention-deportation-00632086

No matter what, 200 is too many.  

200 were detained when they shouldn't have been. That's 200 out of how many?  

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Beerman said:

So for all intents and purposes, you're for open borders.  

If you're trying to say that DHS should be focusing on those illegal aliens who have committed other crimes. I'd agree with you.

Although, you were upset about them arresting one the other day because a Halloween celebration was canceled when the crowd protesting the arrest became unruly.  

I am for immigration reform that allows seasonal workers to travel back and forth from their native countries. I am for an asylum program that can effectively and efficiently screen applicants . I am for fulfilling the commitment made to Afghanis who assisted our military. 

I was upset about the use of tear gas near a school when the children were about to have a Halloween parade. Are you in favor of using teargas around children? Only if they are "illeagals"?

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nursej22 said:

I am for immigration reform that allows seasonal workers to travel back and forth from their native countries. I am for an asylum program that can effectively and efficiently screen applicants . I am for fulfilling the commitment made to Afghanis who assisted our military. 

What do you think should happen to those who come and/or stay illegally?

nursej22 said:

I was upset about the use of tear gas near a school when the children were about to have a Halloween parade. Are you in favor of using teargas around children? Only if they are "illeagals"?

Of course I'm not in favor of that.  It's a ridiculous question.

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nursej22 said:

Undocumented people perform the jobs that native born Americans refuse to do: farm work, construction, housekeeping, eldercare. It has been well established that they are less likely to commit crime. 

Its a red herring to declare that DHS should be storming neighborhoods, raiding farms and dragging people out of vehicles in order to reduce crime. 

 

Americans would in fact do those jobs if they had the chance. Many Americans are displaced, never get hired etc bc of both illegal and legal immigration. I have known many personally including some in my own family. Your statement is ridiculous. There was one factory recently (I forget where, Midwest?) that got raided and the liberal media was saying exactly what you say (that no Americans would do that job blah blah) but within a few days American people were lined up to submit applications. And even more recent illegals were somehow able to obtain commercial drivers licenses (even though they cannot speak or read English) and have displaced American truck drivers/companies. This news has come to light bc of the horrific accidents they have caused bc they are unsafe drivers out there on our roads with the public.
Your talking point is just false!

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nursej22 said:

I am for immigration reform that allows seasonal workers to travel back and forth from their native countries. I am for an asylum program that can effectively and efficiently screen applicants . I am for fulfilling the commitment made to Afghanis who assisted our military. 

I was upset about the use of tear gas near a school when the children were about to have a Halloween parade. Are you in favor of using teargas around children? Only if they are "illeagals"?

We already have laws on the books that allow for seasonal workers to travel back and forth. The problem is illegal immigration and legal work visas that take jobs from Americans. Everyone crying about people not getting SNAP but do you ever wonder why we have so many on the programs to begin with. 
 

Maybe you should be upset with the people who were impeding the officers from doing their job (arresting criminals to keep others safe) which is the root cause of the tear gas being used. 

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Daisy4RN said:

Americans would in fact do those jobs if they had the chance. Many Americans are displaced, never get hired etc bc of both illegal and legal immigration. I have known many personally including some in my own family. Your statement is ridiculous. There was one factory recently (I forget where, Midwest?) that got raided and the liberal media was saying exactly what you say (that no Americans would do that job blah blah) but within a few days American people were lined up to submit applications. And even more recent illegals were somehow able to obtain commercial drivers licenses (even though they cannot speak or read English) and have displaced American truck drivers/companies. This news has come to light bc of the horrific accidents they have caused bc they are unsafe drivers out there on our roads with the public.
Your talking point is just false!

I can tell you feel personally aggrieved by the issue of immigration. Our country was created and built by immigrants. And immigration is vital to maintain the countries workforce. Can I ask what industry your family was displaced from? 

Your claims would be easier to consider if you offered any evidence, such as a news story. I am skeptical of anectodal stories. Can you show evidence of this midwest factory that had American lining up to apply. Surely, conservative media would have reported on such a thing.  

Whomever is employing unsafe drivers should be charged and fined. Trucks should be required to stop routinely at truck stops for periodic screening for licenses and any sign of driving under the influence. My 2 sons worked hard to earn their CDLs and I think CDLs are necessary to safely drive big rigs. 

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