Voter suppression is UnAmerican and can not be tolerated. Majority Vets get their meds shipped via USPS -60,000/day
Philadelphia Inquirer 8/14/2020
Trump’s assault on Postal Service and voting is a plot against American democracy | Editorial
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On Thursday morning, after months of attacks on the United States Postal Service and vote-by-mail, President Donald Trump admitted that the two efforts are connected as a part of one voter disenfranchisement effort. In a Fox Business Network interview, Trump said that the sticking point for him in the negotiations over a new coronavirus economic relief package is Post Office funding: “If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it.”
Please explain precisely how this is voter fraud. I live in a city where the sorting machines were removed from the post office and mail has been slowed down. They are still "mailed" before the end of the alloted time for voting. It is a victory for trying to run an election during Covid Times. You've raised the fraud issue - please show us your data.
Please explain precisely how this is voter fraud. I live in a city where the sorting machines were removed from the post office and mail has been slowed down. They are still "mailed" before the end of the alloted time for voting. It is a victory for trying to run an election during Covid Times. You've raised the fraud issue - please show us your data.
On September 2, 2020 CDC admitted that those with COVID-19 and no comorbids have a 94% survival rate. Hardly justifies destroying the economy or voting by mail.
Not to mention, mail in ballots that have been tossed in Florida because election officials could verify signatures. And there are no protections from zealous postal employees destroying ballots they don't agree with.
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1 hour ago, DaveMHA-RN said:
On September 2, 2020 CDC admitted that those with COVID-19 and no comorbids have a 94% survival rate. Hardly justifies destroying the economy or voting by mail.
Not to mention, mail in ballots that have been tossed in Florida because election officials could verify signatures. And there are no protections from zealous postal employees destroying ballots they don't agree with.
In other words, you cannot explain how counting actual votes in an election is an example of fraud and so you will throw more fears out to see if those are scarier? You cannot point to any expert analysis which identifies the fraud and so you worry about the imagined behavior of nefarious postal workers. You are providing evidence that states are pretty diligent about protecting the vote and that actual voter fraud is rare.
We do get to wonder out loud how concerned conservatives really are about election integrity after Kemp's purge of the voter rolls before his run for the Georgia governor's office. Let's not even talk about Trump openly soliciting foreign assistance for his campaign efforts.
In other words, you cannot explain how counting actual votes in an election is an example of fraud and so you will throw more fears out to see if those are scarier? You cannot point to any expert analysis which identifies the fraud and so you worry about the imagined behavior of nefarious postal workers. You are providing evidence that states are pretty diligent about protecting the vote and that actual voter fraud is rare.
We do get to wonder out loud how concerned conservatives really are about election integrity after Kemp's purge of the voter rolls before his run for the Georgia governor's office. Let's not even talk about Trump openly soliciting foreign assistance for his campaign efforts.
I pointed out actually what actually happened. It is FACT and public record and that trumps analysis every time -especially when that "expert analysis" is tainted by bias. Analysis is not evidence but what actually happens is.
So you stick to your talking points -I'll stick with facts and evidence.
And of course you jump to conclusions that I am a conservative because I oppose the COVID hysteria and voting by mail.
But just remember voter fraud can go either way, and in person voting minimizes the chance of ballots ending up in the dumpster.
Late votes received in the mail will unnecessarily prolong the final results of the election and undermine a peaceful transition of power. And it will diminish confidence in our electoral system.
If masks, hand hygiene, and social distancing work there is no reason not to go to the polls. COVID hasn't stopped people from crowding into grocery stores, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot on a daily basis.
People can vote in person when polling sites are open but that isn't the case for a whole lot of people . C
1 hour ago, DaveMHA-RN said:
I pointed out actually what actually happened. It is FACT and public record and that trumps analysis every time -especially when that "expert analysis" is tainted by bias. Analysis is not evidence but what actually happens is.
So you stick to your talking points -I'll stick with facts and evidence.
And of course you jump to conclusions that I am a conservative because I oppose the COVID hysteria and voting by mail.
But just remember voter fraud can go either way, and in person voting minimizes the chance of ballots ending up in the dumpster.
Late votes received in the mail will unnecessarily prolong the final results of the election and undermine a peaceful transition of power. And it will diminish confidence in our electoral system.
If masks, hand hygiene, and social distancing work there is no reason not to go to the polls. COVID hasn't stopped people from crowding into grocery stores, Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot on a daily basis.
When Republicans participate in election fraud by closing polling sites, voting by person isn't the walk in the park that you make it out to be. Maybe people are stupid where you live and crowd into stores but where I live, they don't, and our infection rates are low. Kids are in school full-time, restaurants are partially open but making money with take-out, we only have 35 people in our medical center with Covid, etc. I guess it's been a long time since you took care of a critically ill patient. I also guess you are OK with 7 and 8 hour voting lines in minority neighborhoods like in Milwaukee for the primaries, as well as ICU's loaded around the clock and all the implications that go with that. And I must ask - how would a mailman have the time to open the ballots to determine who even was marked off on that ballot? Why would voter fraud statistically affect one candidate more than the other? The odds are that each side would be affected equally.
Please do. We could use a world class university, good newspapers, fabulous food and entertainment, a dearth of hillbillies and our farmers would love the bats to pollinate our crops.
When Republicans participate in election fraud by closing polling sites, voting by person isn't the walk in the park that you make it out to be. Maybe people are stupid where you live and crowd into stores but where I live, they don't, and our infection rates are low. Kids are in school full-time, restaurants are partially open but making money with take-out, we only have 35 people in our medical center with Covid, etc. I guess it's been a long time since you took care of a critically ill patient. I also guess you are OK with 7 and 8 hour voting lines in minority neighborhoods like in Milwaukee for the primaries, as well as ICU's loaded around the clock and all the implications that go with that. And I must ask - how would a mailman have the time to open the ballots to determine who even was marked off on that ballot? Why would voter fraud statistically affect one candidate more than the other? The odds are that each side would be affected equally.
You make an a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.
I just got back from the polls today. I live in decent size midwestern city with a large minority population. And there were no problems at all -got in and out in about 45 minutes.
Republicans are not closing the polls. In fact in my community both parties encourage early in person voting and the board of elections has done a nice job to ensure people can vote with covid precautions.
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1 hour ago, DaveMHA-RN said:
You make an a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.
I just got back from the polls today. I live in decent size midwestern city with a large minority population. And there were no problems at all -got in and out in about 45 minutes.
Republicans are not closing the polls. In fact in my community both parties encourage early in person voting and the board of elections has done a nice job to ensure people can vote with covid precautions.
Republicans haven't been closing polling places in your opinion or just in your region?
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Ability to vote for government offices varies by state and county since it is a "states right".
Up until this year in PA, unless one was "approved" for an absentee ballot, your only chance of voting was showing up in person on election Tuesday from 7AM to 8PM. So if you worked a 12hr shift that day, most likely would not be able to make it to your assigned voting location in time to vote.
In my suburban Philly county > 550,000 people, there is none of this standing in line for 4-12 hrs early voting I see on TV/print news reports other states have. In 40+years, longest I've stood in line was 20 minutes as each town/ municipality has multiple voting locations + voting machines.
This year, anyone can request a mail in ballot --until 10/27/20 via online request ( requires driver license # to submit) or can go to county election office or county satellite location to obtain mail in ballot, complete and submit in office or take home to complete/mail in -return envelope which is bar coded requiring signature and date. Return envelope signature then matched to voter registration signature on file along with envelope bar code
BIGGER issue: PA law requires ballot tabulation start at 8:01AM election day. We have 9 million+ registered voters of whom 2,861,900 have requested absentee/mail in ballots. Using huge scanning machines, it will still take time for ballots to be counted as State Republican Senators refused to pass legislation to allow mail-in ballots be counted upon arrival to election office.
Five states – Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington have conduct all-mail elections for several years; NJ added to the list in 2020 due to being hard hit by COVID-19.
PA just jumped from ~ 500 COVID + cases /day to 2,200 + cases/day yesterday. I don't understand why some posters decrying topportunity to allow citizens right to vote by mail-in ballot.
Election Day voting results have always been "unofficial" until certification process is complete --usually takes several weeks
On September 2, 2020 CDC admitted that those with COVID-19 and no comorbids have a 94% survival rate. Hardly justifies destroying the economy or voting by mail.
Not to mention, mail in ballots that have been tossed in Florida because election officials could verify signatures. And there are no protections from zealous postal employees destroying ballots they don't agree with.
You don't find a 94% survival rate (ie a 6% mortality rate) concerning? And that's in the surprisingly small portion of the population that has no risk factors. According to Trump, the number of Americans that would die without mitigation measures, ie "destroying the economy", is 2 million, that's OK?
On September 2, 2020 CDC admitted that those with COVID-19 and no comorbids have a 94% survival rate. Hardly justifies destroying the economy or voting by mail.
Any disease with a 6% mortality rate (or a 94% survival rate as you put it) is actually pretty scary. But that’s not what the CDC said that people without comorbidities have, if they get infected with Covid-19.
What the CDC did was present statistics about Covid-19 deaths. At that point in time 94% of those who had died with a Covid-19 infection also had one or more comorbidities, 6% did not. They were not looking at the entire population who had a Covid-19 diagnosis, they were onlylookingatdeaths. The entire, 100% population being described here are people who have died.
For every person who died with a Covid-19 diagnosis but had no comorbidities, approximately 15.67 persons with comorbidities also died. Since 15.67 persons isn’t a thing, we can instead say that for every 3 people without comorbidites who died, another 47 with comorbidities died as well.
It you want to look at the mortality rate for a given group (for example people without comorbidities/all ages) and calculate your ”survival rate” for that group, you first need to find out how large that specific group is. You need to know how many people without comorbidities who have received a Covid-19 diagnosis and how many of those died from their disease. Now you have your case fatality rate for the group.
However what you really want to know is also those who have been infected, but not received a diagnosis and for obvious reasons not been counted/included. That’s when you have your true fatality rate from the infection forthatgroup.
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Please explain precisely how this is voter fraud. I live in a city where the sorting machines were removed from the post office and mail has been slowed down. They are still "mailed" before the end of the alloted time for voting. It is a victory for trying to run an election during Covid Times. You've raised the fraud issue - please show us your data.