I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Once again, I post a neutral comment regarding the history of MAGAphile and Trumplican, and once again you take of down the rabbit hole as you make multiple assumptions. And, I lost it while editing the post, but I had included a comment that I did not have a problem or find it offensive if it was not globally applied to all conservatives.
Say hello to the hookah-smoking caterpillar on the way down.
I have to agree with Chare on this one. In no part of the post TMB quoted equate with "Are you now complaining because a term is now being used to identify narrow group of people within the republican party?"
On the other hand she was saying that people that insult should complain insulted back. What am I missing here?
Since I've been commenting I'm in that rabbit hole. Alice in Wonderland was once banned in China.
If I've been called a MAGAphile, I shouldn't be offended, anyway, right? So, why would you bother to question it?
I know you've liked some of Trump's accomplishments but wouldn't necessarily call you a Trump supporter anymore based on what you've said lately, thus you're not a MAGAphile. I'd be insulted if I were you as you're being called something you aren't.
I know you've liked some of Trump's accomplishments thus wouldn't necessarily call you a Trump supporter, thus a MAGAphile. I'd be insulted if I were you as you're being called something you aren't.
Again, individual insults aren't allowed.
That's a whole other thing I haven't waded into much. The definition of a magaphile they use is kinda flimsy. Even when they say it's one thing, when it's actually used it's often in a context in which it would be applied to a larger group of people than they claim.
I don't really respect or care enough about those who use it to be insulted. The very first time I mentioned it was to call them out on using it as a derogatory term. And, that's still the only reason I discuss it now.
Funny how it was used only once in awhile until I said anything. Then, after that it's usage increased dramaticly.
That's a whole other thing I haven't waded into much. The definition of a magaphile they use is kinda flimsy. Even when they say it's one thing, when it's actually used it's often in a context in which it would be applied to a larger group of people than they claim.
I don't really respect or care enough about those who use it to be insulted. The very first time I mentioned it was to call them out on using it as a derogatory term. And, that's still the only reason I discuss it now.
Funny how it was used only once in awhile until I said anything. Then, after that it's usage increased dramaticly.
Maybe it's used more frequently because as TMB pointed out we're constantly told it's "some not all", so singling out MAGAphiles is a good way of saying it? Wonder what came first, your complaints or the complaints of it's "some not all conservatives". Anyway, I do tend to ask people not to use insulting names in mature adult discussions, but missed this one for some reason.
But yeah it's interesting we went down such a rabbit hole about an infrequently used term. LOL
On the other hand she was saying that people that complain about being insulted shouldn't complain when insulted back.
What am I missing here?
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Perhaps I'm misreading you here, but what I was saying is that those that fling insults shouldn't complain when they are in turn insulted
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Yes, you do, and it is noted and appreciated. And, I agree with the rest. I've always been amazed with those that sling mud and then cry foul when someone flings it back.
“I’m proud of the accomplishments [during the Trump administration] – of the tax reform, the deregulation and criminal justice reform – I’m really excited about the judges we got on the bench, not just the Supreme Court, but throughout the judiciary. But I am a Never-Again Trumper. Why? Because I want to win, and we lose with Trump. It was really clear to us in ’18, in ‘20 and now in 2022.”
The above is from Paul Ryan, whom I really dislike, but it's telling of the future of Republicans and it isn't Trump.
Like CRT, voter fraud and litter boxes in classrooms, this whole kerfuffle is a solution in search of a problem. You all might check out the process used to include a definition in the Urban Dictionary. The short form is that my definition is just as valid as theirs.
If the word magaphile is used so negatively, you would think that I, as a person who really is a far-leftist, would have come across it before now. I haven’t. Searching it yields only the urban dictionary’s reference, an art genre on the Deviant Art website, a voodoo doll for sale on Etsy and a Twitter handle I’m not allowed to see because I don’t have a Twitter account. Not much of a case for labeling the term as “pejorative”.
The question remains, what’s the agenda? We know that the CRT outrage is a tool used to justify the whitewashing of American history in schools. “Voter fraud” is an excuse to screen out undesirable voters. Cat litter in classrooms is a fantasy promoted by those who would like to eliminate free public education.
So … why the knee-jerk opposition to a semantically accurate term? It’s interesting to observe that the uproar is led by posters who either deny being “trump supporters” or carefully avoid naming their own personal viewpoints?
Cui bono? Who benefits from making it harder to think or talk about the MAGA subculture … which, by the way, precedes the advent of trump by decades, sometimes centuries? (Which is why I don’t go with tweety’s perfectly valid alternative.)
What an interesting rabbit hole we have here.
Haha....no one is "outraged". And, you think I'm simply trying to make harder for you to talk about MAGA subculture, and that I would benefit from that somehow? LOL...OK
Anyway, say again how you haven't intended to use the term negatively:
Y'all discuss among yourselves the MAGA-phile issue. If I say it or anything related to it just know I intend to use it negatively. I know what "Make America Great Again" means to them.
To me it's like hearing things like "Dem-run city", there's a truth but there's a negativity there.
On to other issues. "Liberals on Twitter fume after Musk reinstates Trump to platform". Apparently though there have been no new Tweets from Trump. I wonder though if he can resist such a large platform.
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Liberal pundits, celebrities, and other verified Twitter users erupted with frustration after Twitter CEO Elon Musk reinstated the account of former President Donald Trump on Saturday night.
"I hate this man so much," Democratic communications specialist Keith Edwards tweeted shortly after Musk announced that Trump would be allowed back on the platform.
"Elon Musk is a c---," TV producer Andrew Kimmel added on Twitter.
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Y'all discuss among yourselves the MAGA-phile issue. If I say it or anything related to it just know I intend to use it negatively. I know what "Make America Great Again" means to them.
To me it's like hearing things like "Dem-run city", there's a truth but there's a negativity there.
On to other issues. "Liberals on Twitter fume after Musk reinstates Trump to platform". Apparently though there have been no new Tweets from Trump. I wonder though if he can resist such a large platform.
The journalists and political celebrities are much more involved with and dependent upon Twitter than is the average American. We do know that those who attacked the capitol to stop the transfer of power were following Trump's real time tweets.
I think that you are correct. Trump won't be able to help himself.
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I have to agree with Chare on this one. In no part of the post TMB quoted equate with "Are you now complaining because a term is now being used to identify narrow group of people within the republican party?"
On the other hand she was saying that people that insult should complain insulted back. What am I missing here?
Since I've been commenting I'm in that rabbit hole. Alice in Wonderland was once banned in China.