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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
Quote“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732
NRSKarenRN said:BINGO! What I've been witnessing for the past 20+years, including visits to his AC casinos.
NBC's former chief marketer regrets selling an illusion that has had dire consequences for the world.
US News 10/16/24
We Created a Monster: Trump Was a TV Fantasy Invented for 'The Apprentice'
Waiting? This is the same propaganda they have been spewing about Trump since 2016 LOL
Crusades said:Untill you show the same concern, empathy and outrage for pro "palastine" terrorist sympathizers calling death to America and uttering genocidal traits, praising Hamas , up to vadilizing synagogues and Jewish children in fear of going to school, I'll take this statement seriously.
If Sikh temples were vandalized and Sikh children were scared of trucks and flags, I think that is awful and unacceptable.
That's nice that you'll take her statements seriously.
NRSKarenRN said:BINGO! What I've been witnessing for the past 20+years, including visits to his AC casinos.
NBC's former chief marketer regrets selling an illusion that has had dire consequences for the world.
US News 10/16/24
We Created a Monster: Trump Was a TV Fantasy Invented for 'The Apprentice'
It's all just marketing, smoke and mirrors and appearances with Trump. There's nothing authentic about him except his dishonesty, everything else is a show.
toomuchbaloney said:Are you denying Vance's stance on P2025 or the things he said in his forward to the book? Are you still denying that Trump is unwell?
I'm struggling with the fantastical idea that Vance is a shadowing figure just waiting to push Trump out so he can enact his evil 2025. Wait? That's sounds familiar? Some deflection in use here?
Actually I noticed some lingual pattern defecit the last time I watched Trump. However no where near Biden. He does seem tired.
Are you still claiming Biden is just old and Trump is far more in decline than he is?
Even with msm and democrats that noticed and admitted Biden was in decline? Hence inserting Harris?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/10/16/opinion/trump-cognitive-decline-press-republicans/
QuoteTrump's decline is too dangerous to ignore
We can see the decline in the former president's ability to hold a train of thought, speak coherently, or demonstrate a command of the English language, to say nothing of policy. So why are Republicans and the press holding Trump to a different standard than Biden?
QuoteAsked at an economic forum in New York what specific legislation he would back to make child care more affordable, Trump rambled incomprehensibly for nearly two minutes without answering the question.
QuoteThe rest of his answer provided no clarification about a connection between import tariffs — if that is what Trump was referencing — and child-care costs. The lack of context, or even complete sentences, made his comments as clear as mud. But what was crystal clear was the decline in the former president's ability to hold a train of thought, speak coherently, or demonstrate a command of the English language, to say nothing of policy.
QuoteThough cautioning that they could not diagnose Trump without examining him, experts said his speech patterns match those of people experiencing the effects of things like mood changes, aging, and dementia.
"There's reasonable evidence suggestive of forms of dementia,” clinical psychologist Ben Michaelis told STAT. "The reduction in complexity of sentences and vocabulary does lead you to a certain picture of cognitive diminishment.”
Are Republicans unable to see the obvious symptoms?
Philadelphia Inquirer 10/17/24
Donald Trump's other mental health problem that we're not talking about
QuoteTrump calls anyone who opposes him mentally ill, reflecting his warped approach to a major issue. How much is projection?
...We need to acknowledge that political pundits shouldn't be making long-distance mental health diagnoses of presidential candidates — something even America's top psychiatrists and psychologists have been arguing about for the last 60 years. Here's what is clear: Trump, with his recent run of bizarre behavior, owes it to the American people to offer a full medical report — something Harris did recently while Trump has balked. Voters have a right to demand to know the physical, mental, and cognitive health of the person trailed by a briefcase with codes to blow up the planet.
But there's another story about Trump and his twisted ideas about mental health, involving how it might affect his policies....
...But experts say the worst Trump idea around mental health is his recurring proposal to bring back large-scale mental institutions — the kind that were phased out beginning in the 1970s amid widespread patient abuse scandals, most famously at the Willowbrook State School in Trump's hometown of New York City — as part of sweeps of the urban homeless, and possibly for involuntary commitment of other people whom an authoritarian Trump finds undesirable.,,,
...There are even more troubling implications. Trump's open calls for a revenge-minded presidency and to wage war on "the enemy within,” combined with his insistence on policing mental health with involuntary commitment, creates an enormous potential for abuse. His default position of locking people up, from the homeless to undocumented immigrants — in a country already weighed down by the world's highest rate of mass incarceration — echoes history's worst strongmen.
Crusades said:I'm struggling with the fantastical idea that Vance is a shadowing figure just waiting to push Trump out so he can enact his evil 2025. Wait? That's sounds familiar? Some deflection in use here?
Actually I noticed some lingual pattern defecit the last time I watched Trump. However no where near Biden. He does seem tired.
Are you still claiming Biden is just old and Trump is far more in decline than he is?
Even with msm and democrats that noticed and admitted Biden was in decline? Hence inserting Harris?
LOL
Did you know that we have this shadow position, called the VICE PRESIDENT who waits in the background to step in should the president become incapacitated. In this instance the presidential candidate is clearly in mental and cognitive decline and will not be capable of fulfilling the duties of the office. That specific shadowy figure of VP pick JD Vance has everything to gain from elevating the unfit candidate Trump because he would not be as popular should Trump need to suspend his campaign because he's unfit.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4940067-mcconnell-trump-senate-gop/
QuoteBut McConnell laid bare some of the real feelings in the Senate GOP conference toward Trump when he revealed in an oral history at the end of 2020 that he viewed Trump as "stupid,” "ill-tempered,” "a despicable human being" and a "narcissist.”
He also hinted that Trump was viewed negatively by a broader swatch of the GOP conference, asserting "it's not just the Democrats who [were] counting the days" until Trump left office in January 2021.
If those senate Republicans had don.e their jobs rather than play partisan political games none of us would be faced with the possibility of another Trump presidency today.
Quote"A lot of the Senate Republican allies are not strong allies,” said Brian Darling, a Republican strategist and former Senate aide.
"There are lingering bad feelings between Trump and the Republican establishment, and it is exemplified by McConnell's comments. That is going to exist if Trump wins the election and has to deal with Republicans in the Senate. It's not going to be as friendly as with Republicans in the House, who are going to be much more amenable to Trump's leadership,” the strategist added.
I think that the article is imagining senate push back against Trump where very little actually exists. For instance, the article lists senator Cotton as a McConnell ally but Cotton is a Trump loyalist who won't day that Trump lost in 2020 or that he'll accept results this cycle if Trump loses.
toomuchbaloney said:LOL
Did you know that we have this shadow position, called the VICE PRESIDENT who waits in the background to step in should the president become incapacitated. In this instance the presidential candidate is clearly in mental and cognitive decline and will not be capable of fulfilling the duties of the office. That specific shadowy figure of VP pick JD Vance has everything to gain from elevating the unfit candidate Trump because he would not be as popular should Trump need to suspend his campaign because he's unfit.
Yes we currently have a shadow figure VP right now.
And that's exactly what happened to Biden. Except for the luck of not having to enforce the 25th amendment. When a president becomes unfit.
It appears you feel there is a conspiracy of Vance to take over the presidency?
Other than that, if Trump becomes unable, he will take over. As he is entitled to being VP of the US as elected by the people.
Crusades
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That's some fantastical political theater you got going on there.