I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Crusades said:
Right. Many people died in that botched exit plan that just had to be on Sept. 11 in a grotesque symbol of the 9/11 terrorist attack.
No no. That's not Biden's fault at all. But it's Trump's fault people got stranded. Really can't make this up. Loool.
That's right, people died after Trump negotiated the terms of that evacuation and after Trump's team worked on planning for that evacuation for the duration of his term. Trump began the negotiated draw down of troops and staff in 2020 while slowing th SIV process, remember? Or maybe you are just unaware that Trump's team negotiated the terms of the withdrawal, made the arrangements, slowed the visas, and failed to provide any transition information or analysis of the withdrawal to Biden's administration after Trump lost the election.
Are Trump's cult members and must devoted voters incapable of assigning any accountability to the most obviously corrupt and incompetent president of their lifetimes. They won't even accept his many felony convictions or legal losses, preferring to think of those as partisan harassment while ignoring the plethora of public evidence. The shared delusion is impressive and no one would believe a work of fiction which has a storyline based upon a crazy and corrupt conman trying to lie himself into the presidency a second time after attempting to overthrow the government after his first failed term.
I guess it's the fault of the stranded rally goers. If they had paid attention they would have known that Trump is cheap, disorganized, lacking any empathy and unconcerned about blowback from stranded fans. That was evident in Omaha in 2020. They were dumb to allow an unreliable liar and conman to bus them into the desert with no guarantee of transportation back to their cars. It's their own fault because it certainly can't be the fault of the guy who arranged the event and the needed logistics to that area. I mean you wouldn't blame the travel agent if they didn't provide the advertised shuttle transportation after you booked with them based upon their advertisement, right? In this event, Team Trump is the shady travel agent.
The withdrawal that Trump's administration planned with the taliban and executed according to Trump's negotiated time-line? That one? Hey, just for giggles, do you have any idea how many special visas Mike Pompeo and Trump's state department processed for Afghanistan allies in 2020 to prepare for the withdrawal or do you know if they expedited anything about that Trump negotiated withdrawal? Do you know if Pompeo slowed that SIV process in the Trump administration?
It's funny that Trump takes credit for Obama's economy but not for the military withdrawal that he negotiated and planned himself.
Even if we wanted to pretend all that is true, Biden didn't and shouldn't have gone along with the plan if he knew it was going to fail.
But, let's quibble about how a few dozen people stuck in the cold for awhile at an overcrowded rally should be discussed as a factor in a presidential election.
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Crusades said:
Right. I would hold my team accountable for their mistakes. It still wouldn't be my fault.
Ohbandvit seems the deflect has worked.
Were you surprised with the turn out? Does the higher than expected number of people going to Trump's rally in a key swing state worry you? It should.
Oh.
So on your team, the leader gets all of the credit for team success but none of the accountability for team failures. That definitely sounds like a Team with Trump at the top. The buck will always stop with someone beneath Trump because Trump is practiced at pointing fingers for his lack of leadership.
Crowd size is really important to team Trump, more important than the actual people stranded in the desert. LOL
Trump has been quoted as saying the world is divided into winners and losers or suckers . If you are not a winner(like him) you are a loser. Soldiers are losers and suckers. Contractors he refused to pay are suckers . People who paid to attend Trump U are suckers. Rally goers who stand in 100 heat and get stranded are suckers.
@Crusades, are you saying California is a swing state? That's weird.
At. Trump town hall last night in Pennsylvania, Trump ansered 3 or 4 questions, then stood in front of the audience and bobbed to music from his playlist for 30 minutes. Nothing to see here folks , except a demented old narcissist.
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Beerman said:
Even if we wanted to pretend all that is true, Biden didn't and shouldn't have gone along with the plan if he knew it was going to fail.
But, let's quibble about how a few dozen people stuck in the cold for awhile at an overcrowded rally should be discussed as a factor in a presidential election.
Classic.
You don't have to pretend that Trump negotiated the withdrawal and that his team did months of preparation and planning for that evacuation before Biden took office because it's reality. You don't have to pretend that Trump's administration didn't properly transition those state department issues because team Trump didn't properly transition.
Sure, it's all no big deal if Trump set up a terrible situation negotiated with terrorists... it's all Biden's fault for not just breaking the agreement. LOL That's what Trump would do... just unilaterally break a negotiated agreement regardless of consequences. We watched him do that.
We're not quibbling about the reality that Trump's campaign stranded a bunch of his rally goers again. We're talking about the state of a campaign that does that thing to voters more than once. We're talking about the blame always directed away from the team leader when the leader is Trump. I'm interested in what Trump will say about it, who will he personally blame? I bet he blames a local Democrat.
I think that the character and leadership skills of the candidates is important in a presidential election. Clearly Trump voters don't because Trump really isn't a skilled leader and he has disqualifying character flaws.
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nursej22 said:
At. Trump town hall last night in Pennsylvania, Trump ansered 3 or 4 questions, then stood in front of the audience and bobbed to music from his playlist for 30 minutes. Nothing to see here folks , except a demented old narcissist.
Do you think that was evidence of a mentally or cognitively healthy man? Noem looked alarmed and unsure what to do on several occasions. When she went up an he patted him on the back it was like she was concerned and was trying to get him to stop.
I will have to do some digging to see how Trump surrogates are spinning this.
Do you think that was evidence of a mentally or cognitively healthy man? Noem looked alarmed and unsure what to do on several occasions. When she went up an he patted him on the back it was like she was concerned and was trying to get him to stop.
I will have to do some digging to see how Trump surrogates are spinning this.
Trump posted this on Truth Social:
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I had a Town Hall in Pennsylvania last night. It was amazing! The Q and A was almost finished when people began fainting from the excitement and heat. We started playing music while we waited, and just kept it going. So different, but it ended up being a GREAT EVENING!
I don't know how to characterize that behavior, but if he forgot where he was or why, would that qualify as psychosis?
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nursej22 said:
Trump posted this on Truth Social:
I don't know how to characterize that behavior, but if he forgot where he was or why, would that qualify as psychosis?
It is strange, to be sure.
It's beginning to look like maybe this is going to be the pathway to a President Vance and the full implementation of Project 2025. Republicans will elect the crazy old guy wIth dementia and then replace him with the uniquely unqualified but very scary VP.
That's right, people died after Trump negotiated the terms of that evacuation and after Trump's team worked on planning for that evacuation for the duration of his term. Trump began the negotiated draw down of troops and staff in 2020 while slowing th SIV process, remember? Or maybe you are just unaware that Trump's team negotiated the terms of the withdrawal, made the arrangements, slowed the visas, and failed to provide any transition information or analysis of the withdrawal to Biden's administration after Trump lost the election.
Are Trump's cult members and must devoted voters incapable of assigning any accountability to the most obviously corrupt and incompetent president of their lifetimes. They won't even accept his many felony convictions or legal losses, preferring to think of those as partisan harassment while ignoring the plethora of public evidence. The shared delusion is impressive and no one would believe a work of fiction which has a storyline based upon a crazy and corrupt conman trying to lie himself into the presidency a second time after attempting to overthrow the government after his first failed term.
I guess it's the fault of the stranded rally goers. If they had paid attention they would have known that Trump is cheap, disorganized, lacking any empathy and unconcerned about blowback from stranded fans. That was evident in Omaha in 2020. They were dumb to allow an unreliable liar and conman to bus them into the desert with no guarantee of transportation back to their cars. It's their own fault because it certainly can't be the fault of the guy who arranged the event and the needed logistics to that area. I mean you wouldn't blame the travel agent if they didn't provide the advertised shuttle transportation after you booked with them based upon their advertisement, right? In this event, Team Trump is the shady travel agent.
BS.
The "buck stops with me" said Biden. Did the evacuation go exactly how Trump planned it? Or did it change?
It's hilarious that you speak of accountability when good ol Joe and Harris brage about the day 14 service people were killed other Americansand civilians. Biden was so disturbed that he checked his watch on the tarmac when the fallen heros were being unloaded from the aircraft carrier.
Whyvare you talking about "cult victims" again? LOL
I wouldn't blame the travel agent if the plane was delayed due to weather. LOL.
And so the deflect goes on..... You didn't answer my question about the large turn out for Trump in a key battle ground state. Considering you are invoking the "cukt" again, I'd say you are worried.
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Oh, and Trump is finding excuses to back out of more interviews as Harris prepares to go visit with Brett Baier on Fox. I wonder, should we worry about the editing from the media giant that had to pay $700 million for lying to their audience with fabricated content?
I think Team Trump is trying to keep the scale of Trump's cognitive and mental decline from the American voters. They've done that before.
You don't have to pretend that Trump negotiated the withdrawal and that his team did months of preparation and planning for that evacuation before Biden took office because it's reality. You don't have to pretend that Trump's administration didn't properly transition those state department issues because team Trump didn't properly transition.
Sure, it's all no big deal if Trump set up a terrible situation negotiated with terrorists... it's all Biden's fault for not just breaking the agreement. LOL That's what Trump would do... just unilaterally break a negotiated agreement regardless of consequences. We watched him do that.
We're not quibbling about the reality that Trump's campaign stranded a bunch of his rally goers again. We're talking about the state of a campaign that does that thing to voters more than once. We're talking about the blame always directed away from the team leader when the leader is Trump. I'm interested in what Trump will say about it, who will he personally blame? I bet he blames a local Democrat.
I think that the character and leadership skills of the candidates is important in a presidential election. Clearly Trump voters don't because Trump really isn't a skilled leader and he has disqualifying character flaws.
Yeah? Ask Iran about their finacial stability under Biden. They are doing well as far as I can tell.
Please provide evidence that Trump is even partially to blame. Perhaps there was a miscalculation and the transport contractor did anticipate a huge turn out. Wasn't repaired for the large numbers of Trump supporters in a key battleground state.
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That's right, people died after Trump negotiated the terms of that evacuation and after Trump's team worked on planning for that evacuation for the duration of his term. Trump began the negotiated draw down of troops and staff in 2020 while slowing th SIV process, remember? Or maybe you are just unaware that Trump's team negotiated the terms of the withdrawal, made the arrangements, slowed the visas, and failed to provide any transition information or analysis of the withdrawal to Biden's administration after Trump lost the election.
Are Trump's cult members and must devoted voters incapable of assigning any accountability to the most obviously corrupt and incompetent president of their lifetimes. They won't even accept his many felony convictions or legal losses, preferring to think of those as partisan harassment while ignoring the plethora of public evidence. The shared delusion is impressive and no one would believe a work of fiction which has a storyline based upon a crazy and corrupt conman trying to lie himself into the presidency a second time after attempting to overthrow the government after his first failed term.
I guess it's the fault of the stranded rally goers. If they had paid attention they would have known that Trump is cheap, disorganized, lacking any empathy and unconcerned about blowback from stranded fans. That was evident in Omaha in 2020. They were dumb to allow an unreliable liar and conman to bus them into the desert with no guarantee of transportation back to their cars. It's their own fault because it certainly can't be the fault of the guy who arranged the event and the needed logistics to that area. I mean you wouldn't blame the travel agent if they didn't provide the advertised shuttle transportation after you booked with them based upon their advertisement, right? In this event, Team Trump is the shady travel agent.