I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Crusades said:
No. That's what you use to diagnose Trump LOL
I deflect? You bring up Trump no matter what or wear LOL.
I think there is a non political topic on here you brought him up in. Some comment of "the era of Trump".
Right. So you are really just spinning here. You are clearly triggered by any mention of Trump in any thread. That sounds like a problem for you but it really doesn't have anything to do with me.
It's an election cycle and Trump is a mentally ill old man with dementia who is running again for the office. Even though he already tried to overthrow our government in 2020/21, millions of gullible Americans will vote for him. Even though he demonstrated total incompetence during the pandemic, millions will vote for him. Even though he added to our debt and deficit by giving permanent tax cuts to the wealthiest in the country and even though his current plans would add trillions more to our debt over the next decade, millions will vote for him. Even though he will end NATO and threatens or allies in foreign policy while having secret meetings with dictators, millions will vote for Trump. Even though he is a felon and a business fraud and a rapist, millions will vote for him.
What is it that makes so many people elevate and defend an old, mentally ill bully who is an incompetent leader and an adjudicated fraud and felon? What is it?
If the GOP manages to get all of you to vote for and elect Trump, how long do you think it will be before they use the 25th amendment to give us a president Vance? Will Trump last a year if they just let him be a crazy figure head?
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Did any of you listen to Trump's attempt to defend his simplistic economic plan in Chicago yesterday? I listened. This morning I watched a bit of the video. There was one place where Trump's claims were challenged by the interviewer and he immediately retreated to his angry and defensive body language right on stage... quickly pulling his arms across his chest. Trump is committed to his delusion about the economy.
The fellow is unwell and unfit for the presidency. Vance is hoping that this charade works.
You don't have to pretend that Trump negotiated the withdrawal and that his team did months of preparation and planning for that evacuation before Biden took office because it's reality. You don't have to pretend that Trump's administration didn't properly transition those state department issues because team Trump didn't properly transition.
Sure, it's all no big deal if Trump set up a terrible situation negotiated with terrorists... it's all Biden's fault for not just breaking the agreement. LOL That's what Trump would do... just unilaterally break a negotiated agreement regardless of consequences. We watched him do that.
Quite a bit of revisionist history here.
Including:
The Taliban didn't live up to their end of the deal.
The withdrawal came months after what Trump negotiated.
Biden didn't use Trump's deal as the reason for the withdrawal. He blamed his military advisors.
And, most importantly, General Milley (the same one whose opinions you and others seem to hold in high regard) in congressional hearings refuted Biden's claim and testified he advised Biden to keep troops in Afghanistan.
The Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco is for Biden to own.
Sounds like you have no more thoughtful discussion about Trump's incompetence and lack of empathy and you can't really be specific about your attempt to deflect away from Trump and his mess. So you have a little tantrum.
You are confused about disproving something when I simply wanted you to be specific about your deflection from Trump to Biden.
The discussion of Trump's obvious mental illness is upsetting for you?
Right. So you are really just spinning here. You are clearly triggered by any mention of Trump in any thread. That sounds like a problem for you but it really doesn't have anything to do with me.
It's an election cycle and Trump is a mentally ill old man with dementia who is running again for the office. Even though he already tried to overthrow our government in 2020/21, millions of gullible Americans will vote for him. Even though he demonstrated total incompetence during the pandemic, millions will vote for him. Even though he added to our debt and deficit by giving permanent tax cuts to the wealthiest in the country and even though his current plans would add trillions more to our debt over the next decade, millions will vote for him. Even though he will end NATO and threatens or allies in foreign policy while having secret meetings with dictators, millions will vote for Trump. Even though he is a felon and a business fraud and a rapist, millions will vote for him.
What is it that makes so many people elevate and defend an old, mentally ill bully who is an incompetent leader and an adjudicated fraud and felon? What is it?
If the GOP manages to get all of you to vote for and elect Trump, how long do you think it will be before they use the 25th amendment to give us a president Vance? Will Trump last a year if they just let him be a crazy figure head?
It appears ypur grandiose ability and unqualified diagnosis extends to people in an on line . Apparently you can actually diagnosis me as "upset and emotional " over things said in a non consequencal forum.
I will say that if we use the Biden/Harris administration as a predictor, 45 amendment will only apply at the end of his term. However the 45th amendment will be pushed by democrats the whole 4 yrs. But they have sure set a precedent for themself haven't they?
Do you think that Trump is such a brilliant person that he can fool and bewitch millions of people? Ever wonder why people vote for Trump?
That's "Fortune"? His fixation on crowd size is a symptom of his personality disorder. Look it up.
Yes, you often use "baloney" criteria as you did when insisting that Biden has dementia and as you do when insisting that Trump is fine and there's no noticeable decline. since 2020. That's OK. We're all health professionals. We all know how to assess when people are talking out of informed facts and when people are talking out of feelings.
Correction. I see cognitive decline in Biden but I do not attempt to diagnose him with certainty. However it is fun to apply the same standard and criteria used to claim Trump has decline to evaluate Biden. Does that cause feelings and emotion for yourself? Does it cause discomfort to hold one man to the same standard that has applied to another? Do you regularly modify your assessments depending on if you approve of your patients? Or do you equally assess them?
Yes we are all healthcare professionals, some practicing and some retired. And as health care professionals we know that a diagnosis of decline/mental illness can only be diagnosised by a qualified professional and include various examination and tests.
This is a scam. It's apparently legal but they are selling shares of stock in a company which loses money after misrepresenting the details to potential investors in their marketing documents.
Trump is untrustworthy and a cheat. He is unfit for the presidency.
This is a scam. It's apparently legal but they are selling shares of stock in a company which loses money after misrepresenting the details to potential investors in their marketing documents.
Trump is untrustworthy and a cheat. He is unfit for the presidency.
The stock has doubled in the last month. Stocks go up and down, some more volatile and riskier than others. And, mostly bought and sold by professionals.
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Beerman said:
Quite a bit of revisionist history here.
Including:
The Taliban didn't live up to their end of the deal.
The withdrawal came months after what Trump negotiated.
Biden didn't use Trump's deal as the reason for the withdrawal. He blamed his military advisors.
And, most importantly, General Milley (the same one whose opinions you and others seem to hold in high regard) in congressional hearings refuted Biden's claim and testified he advised Biden to keep troops in Afghanistan.
The Afghanistan withdrawal fiasco is for Biden to own.
Do you mean that it was foolish of Trump to negotiate with the Taliban and trust them to keep their promises? No kidding? Trump wanted to invite them to Camp David, remember? Trump also excluded that actual Afghanistan government from the negotiations.
That's right, most of the preparation and planning occurred during Trump's term, after he negotiated the terms with the taliban. Trump didn't really bother to bring Biden's team up to speed during the transition, he was interested in handicapping the guy who beat him.
It's definitely revisionist history to pretend that Trump had nothing to do with that failure. Since the military is the group which drew up the plans and indicated that they could successfully execute each of the plans, it seems appropriate to give them credit for what they said they could do but didn't. It's not like they can blame lack of funding or no time plan.
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Beerman said:
The stock has doubled in the last month. Stocks go up and down, some more volatile and riskier than others. And, mostly bought and sold by professionals.
Care to share a source for the "scam"?
A source? Well, Barry Diller, the CEO of Expedia and IAC Inc said it was a scam in April. Trump's company lost $58 million in 2023 with only $4 million in sales. The value of the stock is dependent upon Trump's celebrity.
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Crusades said:
Correction. I see cognitive decline in Biden but I do not attempt to diagnose him with certainty. However it is fun to apply the same standard and criteria used to claim Trump has decline to evaluate Biden. Does that cause feelings and emotion for yourself? Does it cause discomfort to hold one man to the same standard that has applied to another? Do you regularly modify your assessments depending on if you approve of your patients? Or do you equally assess them?
Yes we are all healthcare professionals, some practicing and some retired. And as health care professionals we know that a diagnosis of decline/mental illness can only be diagnosised by a qualified professional and include various examination and tests.
Yes. I use the same
Baloney, we read your remarks. Gaslighting won't work.
It is fun to compare the two men especially because Trump is very rapidly demonstrating rapid decline in his ability to participate in live events. Meanwhile Biden hasn't had any obvious trouble carrying out his daily activities in the public eye like Trump has.
As a health profession you seem very reluctant to discuss the very obvious evidence of mental illness and cognitive decline in Trump and Trump only. You spend a great deal of time trying to give me mini lectures on the topic when you are the member who is unable to discern the obvious symptoms in a public figure. Your inconsistencies and contradictory standards don't give you any credibility on this topic. Keep trying to have a thoughtful discussion while ignoring the abundant evidence which disproves your thoughts.
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Crusades said:
LOL. No
Is a potential Trump 2024 win upsetting for you?
A potential win by an authoritarian felon who has symptoms mental illness and dementia, and had the bad judgment to elevate the likes of Vance as his VP is upsetting to all patriots who value our republic. That's why Harris support includes so many prominent Republicans and former members of Trump's cabinet.
You're cool with putting a crazy man into the white house so that Vance can have him removed? Vance? That guy with no business being anywhere near the presidency? What is it that makes you think that Vance would be an effective president? Is it his ability to lie so easily?
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Right. So you are really just spinning here. You are clearly triggered by any mention of Trump in any thread. That sounds like a problem for you but it really doesn't have anything to do with me.
It's an election cycle and Trump is a mentally ill old man with dementia who is running again for the office. Even though he already tried to overthrow our government in 2020/21, millions of gullible Americans will vote for him. Even though he demonstrated total incompetence during the pandemic, millions will vote for him. Even though he added to our debt and deficit by giving permanent tax cuts to the wealthiest in the country and even though his current plans would add trillions more to our debt over the next decade, millions will vote for him. Even though he will end NATO and threatens or allies in foreign policy while having secret meetings with dictators, millions will vote for Trump. Even though he is a felon and a business fraud and a rapist, millions will vote for him.
What is it that makes so many people elevate and defend an old, mentally ill bully who is an incompetent leader and an adjudicated fraud and felon? What is it?
If the GOP manages to get all of you to vote for and elect Trump, how long do you think it will be before they use the 25th amendment to give us a president Vance? Will Trump last a year if they just let him be a crazy figure head?