This final decision ends constitutional protection for abortion, returning the rights to state legislatures.
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In a historic and far-reaching decision, the U.S. Supreme Court officially reversed Roe v. Wade on Friday, declaring that the constitutional right to abortion, upheld for nearly a half century, no longer exists.
I also want to mention that even after vasectomy it is possible to get a woman pregnant; the man needs to have a sperm count for a specific length of time after the procedure to make sure it was totally effective. This can be up to 10 months in some cases. There have been documented cases of pregnancies happening after vasectomy. The chances are very low but it can happen. There's also the chance of a failure (such as reaatachment, scar tissue showing a channel to form or even a mistake during surgery) while these are very rare, it is worth noting, they can happen and then you have an unintended pregnancy because the couple thought they were safe due to the vasectomy. So warm the men you know that in order to be completely safe, have a regular sperm count just to be sure.
This is a woefully incorrect statement that a quick Google search could fix. Not to mention that there are those pushing to limit the availability of contraception and the groups that don't even want to fund contraception as a basic part of healthcare.
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This revisit of Roe vs. Wade is a sad testimony of our failure to be responsible.
You are aware that birth control is not 100%, right? This logic is like saying it's the fault of a driver that got hit by someone running a red light. It's called an "accident" for a reason. On top of that it just sounds incredibly condescending and reeks of an inability to feel empathy for another human. I'm assuming you were born right into being a fully functioning always responsible adult that has never made a mistake in their life?
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Saw news doctors are afraid in cases of IVF if embro doesn’t develop will they be charged with murder? These old men in Supreme Court are giving more power to weapons than women this is not just about a women’s issue men need to stand by women in this one as many are partners with termination for various reasons
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On 6/29/2022 at 9:08 AM, SuzanneRNLA said:
If you actually read the Constitution, nowhere does it protect an imagined 'right' to kill an unborn child. Murder, I.e. abortion is NOT a guaranteed right, nor should it be.
Thank you. The Bill of Rights speaks of the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the unborn!
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1 hour ago, VivaLasViejas said:
Thank you. The Bill of Rights speaks of the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the unborn!
That is a presumption. Maybe you could make an argument that could convince me otherwise.
If someone came into your home, uninvited, you could put them out. If they threatened your health or very life you would be allowed to defend yourself. If that unwanted visitor adversely affected your employment and finacial security you would most certainly put them out. Fortunately, in those above scenarios the unwanted visitor is presumably a functional human capable of survival outside of that home.
In the case of a <20 wk pregnancy there is no social security number, no dependent tax break, etc. That pregnancy is not recognized by the government in any other tangible way.
As an OB nurse who routinely takes care of two patients, one inside the uterus and one with the uterus, I am overjoyed by this decision.
I've also cared for many woman who were not ready to be mothers, yet unselfishly chose the precious gift of life and presented a beautiful baby to a childless couple who were overjoyed at being parents.
Thank you. The Bill of Rights speaks of the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the unborn!
The definition of life is unfortunately not this clear cut or this wouldn't be an argument. Nothing in the Constitution addresses this, including the Bill of Rights.
Does the presence of synchronized cardiac activity define a life? I recently had a patient that was declared legally dead due to a severe brain injury but still had a fully functioning heart as the patient was an organ donor.
This is why I support a women's right to choose. Otherwise really it comes down to forcing a certain set of beliefs onto those that don't necessarily view the world in the same way. Something this subjective will really and truly be an issue that will never be settled satisfactorily for everyone.
Thank you. The Bill of Rights speaks of the right to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That includes the unborn!
This is murky at best. Life huh? Okay so you all just going to ignore the physical and mental needs of the people yoi all walk beside tweet with eat with post with, huh. What about them. The people you want to have these babies that’s going to microwave them, beat them, throw them on the highway, drown them, etc. oh wait I guess you all haven’t seen or heard of these things from people breaking down and crumbling mentally. I Have. I’ve seen enough trauma. Yea you all don’t care about them, just want to get on here and hold onto something while you sit cozy at your tablet or in your bed or office chair.
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On 6/30/2022 at 4:14 AM, Kingster said:
But I'm also responsible enough to know that if I have two kids and don't want another I can easily prevent it (aside from obvious).
All forms of birth control have some degree of failure right. None are 100% effective in stopping every conception
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No one can say an organism with a heartbeat is not a life in some capacity.
I can grow cardiac cells in a petri dish that have a heartbeat. Those cells are never going to be anything more than cardiac cells grown in a petri dish.
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On 7/1/2022 at 2:37 AM, SunCityInsPhysical said:
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Lack of access to prevention is a farce.
Your friends who are responsible for the overturning of Roe V Wade are also going after access to contraception. Surely if we are so concerned about the number of abortions we would make sure that women have access to safe birth control.
Of course that assumes that the intention of overturning Roe V Wade was about stopping abortion and not merely seeking to exert control over a womans reproductive rights.
I'm a member of a nursing subreddit r/nursing. In the last week I've read of at least 2 cases of where women living in a trigger state with an ectopic pregnancy were forced to wait for essential healthcare because of the concerns of the doctors and the like over potentially breaking the law.
I believe that Texas (could have the wrong state) has something grandfathered into the law that says health professionals should try to remove the pregnany from the fallopian tube and place it into the uterus. Despite established health knowledge that advises an ectopic pregnancy will never be viable and it is not simply a case of removing the embryo from the wrong place and sticking it in the right place
It says something that the only ones supporting overturning Roe v Wade are first time posters that are just here to troll AN.
The only arguments I see for banning abortion are uneducated, misguided, and narrow sighted.
1 - An early fetal "heartbeat" is not a heartbeat like it is for anyone reading this and is no more capable of supporting a cardiovascular system than my washing machine.
2 - The Constitution doesn't specifically mention A LOT. It's a short four page document. Saying something isn't covered because it's not specifically mentioned just makes me think someone failed some classes.
3 - I've noticed that some of those that are against abortion are also the same people against supporting families through social programs. It seems some people would like to tell others what to do but then abandon them afterwards.
4 - I've also noticed that the same people against abortion are the same ones telling people they should just use contraceptives while failing to acknowledge the uneven access to affordable healthcare AND are voting for those who are doing everything in their power to ensure universal and/or affordable healthcare never happens in the United States.
Basically what I've noticed is that the only way I've really seen people justifying banning abortions is through a unique set of mental gymnastics. Maybe I'm wrong and I'm open to hear otherwise but overturning Roe v Wade seems to be a pretty clear setback for healthcare, safety, and women's rights and I don't think it's going to stop here.
I know what you mean about trolls. However, I have to point out that Viva las viejas has been on AN since forever. She and I have butted heads over this since the original break room turned into the “blue side” (a separate site for non-nursing discussions). In her day, she made a far greater contribution to this site than I ever did. While I disagree with her beliefs on this issue, she is no troll.
That said, I agree with the rest of your post. All this pearl-clutching about “pre-born children” has mysteriously failed to lead to the next logical step of care for the post-born. In my view, the forced pregnancy movement has nothing to do with reverence for life.
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Wow! And I will.