Pro Republica The Insurrection website gathering information regarding behind the scenes rally/riot start, online postings and public information about the U.S. Capital Building Riot which occurred immediately post President Trump rally held 1/06/2021. Will post info of interest regarding the upcoming Impeachment Trial for our members discussion in this thread . Our Democracy still at stake. Karen
Caroline Wren, a Trump fundraiser, is listed as a “VIP Advisor” in a National Park Service permit for the Jan. 6th rally at the Ellipse. Text messages and a planning memo show the title downplays the active role she played in organizing the event.
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ProPublica sifted through thousands of videos taken by Parler users to create an immersive, first-person view of the Capitol riot as experienced by those who were ther
"Almost 470,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus so far, with the number widely expected to go above half a million in the next few weeks. At the same time some 27 million people in the US have been infected. Both figures are by far the highest in the world.
Between 2002 and 2019, US public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45% – approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK.
To determine how many deaths from Covid the US could have avoided, the commission weighted the average death rate in the other G7 countries – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK – and compared it to the US death rate.
In another comparison, the commission found if US life expectancy was equivalent to the average in the other G7 countries, 461,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2018.In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’ spread.
The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income G7 countries, according to a Lancet commission tasked with assessing Donald Trump’s health policy record."
Does this not add to the fact that the character of Trump re disregard for public safety, further underlines the point of him being the cause of the Insurrection?
How many years did he underscore that if he lost it would be because he was cheated and deliberately stoked that lie? He didn't only cause the insurrection, he encouraged it, exactly as he is the reason for so many Covid deaths. And he did this because of assistance from the GOP.
He is an unthinking person who only cares about the results and not about the consequences of his actions. And he is yet to show remorse or even attempt an apology for his part in caging children, Covid deaths or inciting an Insurrection!
I'm also quite sure that the Impeachment is the least of his worries. This republican party needs to be disbanded because it has turned into a virulent cancer that has metastasized into society and emboldened many fringed dangerous groups to rear their ugly heads. These groups all look to Trump for direction because his goals are their goals!
"Soon after Covid-19 was detected in Wuhan, China, racist abuse started to get hurled at many Asian-Americans. Many accused then-President Donald Trump of adding fuel to the flames with incendiary language, including calling it the "China virus" and "kung flu".
In California, an elderly man collecting cans was threatened with an iron bar as he wept, and a teenager was taken to hospital after being physically assaulted. In Texas, an Asian family, including a two-year-old and six-year-old, were stabbed in a supermarket.
"I was just seeing things online. Videos were being circulated and I saw the man with the cans in San Francisco. I did a video saying that we will raise money for the man. I wanted to do something about it," Mac says.
Then the elderly woman was attacked in Brooklyn."
This is an example of what happens when you demonize people! And Trump has a history of this egregious behaviors! From Mexican and Hispanics to Black people to women to Democrats, the News Reporters to Governors and even his own vice president! He does this deliberately knowing full well EXACTLY WHAT AN INFLUENCER IS!
I use influencers in a few businesses and they are effective in driving sales. Costly sometimes but effective! Trump's business is all about influencing.
He license his name! He uses his name to drive business to other companies. His tweets and postings have influenced the markets and even prompted the potential abduction and planned murder of a governor! This isn't the first time re the insurrection. Look at Puerto Rico and how many died and the cover up. 64 people was it until an investigation showed over 3000 I think? His history is littered with his irresponsibility!
Anyone who thinks this guy is innocent needs to check into a psych unit for possible psychotic issues. He's not yet a convicted pedophile but he is definitely a perv! He is an aberration that needs to be in a jail! Away from regular people before he infects anyone else!
No one said what happened on the 6th was justified. It was horrible, and everyone who participated should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
That has nothing to do, however, with the impeachment preceding that is taking place.
Yeah.....I'm done with your nonsense. You can't seem to help yourself from making this discussion personal.
I'm not sure how it can be claimed that the impeachment trial isn't related to holding those responsible for the January 6th attempted coup.
Trump publically admitted that he was aware the false propaganda he was pushing could or would result in the storming of the Capitol. Hours into the riot he tweeted "This are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viscously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long".
The rioters had the belief that Trump had actually won the election by a landslide and that the election was being stolen from them because Trump and his allies were pushing this widely and thoroughly debunked false propaganda. So basically, his tweet said "this is what happens when someone does what I have done".
I'm not sure how it can be claimed that the impeachment trial isn't related to holding those responsible for the January 6th attempted coup.
Trump publically admitted that he was aware the false propaganda he was pushing could or would result in the storming of the Capitol. Hours into the riot he tweeted "This are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously and viscously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly and unfairly treated for so long".
The rioters had the belief that Trump had actually won the election by a landslide and that the election was being stolen from them because Trump and his allies were pushing this widely and thoroughly debunked false propaganda. So basically, his tweet said "this is what happens when someone does what I have done".
LOL.....I don't even think you believe this.
Might as well throw it out there, though. Nothing else is working.
I wonder how much personal legal issues are going to be attached to Trump and the Hawley, Cruz etc personally?
If I was involved in the fleeing process, I would be seeking legal restitution regardless of the outcome of the impeachment!
I see the impeachment as a means to broadcast what actually happened and to put the GOP on record BUT I see potentially huge personal legal jeopardy for all who participated in the insurrection. All of the vids and images are a treasure trove for future suits, which I have no doubt will be coming.
I don't know what others think because I don't see this issue addressed in any public publications as a potential problem for Trump or Hawley or Cruz etc, but I know it's coming.
Might as well throw it out there, though. Nothing else is working.
Nothing is working?
Yellen just revoked all of the loopholes that Trump gave to his cronies. About $400 billion into the coffers, Biden just essentially INSISTED THAT AMERICAN BUSINESSES comes first and has started legislation to ensure they get the funds to compete. Once those businesses are up and running think about the benefits. Who's the republican by those measures? You don't know about them because he doesn't engage in the fanfare and boastfullness that Trump did about things he never accomplished.
You support someone who is the bankrupter in chief, who was just steering the ship two seconds ago and just took a step back from the steering wheel and the first mate has JUST put his hands on the wheel, BUT IMMEDIATELY the incredible ship that the orange ape has just been telling everyone that HE ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CREATING , its power and sophisticated operations and majesty, HAS IMMEDIATELY BEEN TRANSFORMED INTO A WRECK?
HE'S ONLY BEEN GONE TWO SECONDS! but this amazing ship(America) that's he's been alone in creating, is terrible and useless?
That is some amazing ship that he created that it is so fragile! Logically without him the ship is surely going to fall apart? I would abandon ship if I was a republican. Leave before you go down! It's the only sensible thing to do.
Let's see how many republicans will start emigrating to Russia and Turkey or Brazil or Venezuela or Hungary since that's the system you want and admire!
Hypocrisy is a disease that has infected the GOP AND I am waiting to see the vote because I am hoping they won't impeach so he can wreck further destruction on the GOP. But, remember the rules!
It's only the people who turn up that can vote, so let's see how many turn up? In medical terms, either get the surgery now or watch it eat them alive! Either way, I'm going to enjoy this!
Oath Keepers Plotting Before Capitol Riot Awaited ‘Direction’ From Trump, Prosecutors Say
Ms. Watkins, a military veteran, was making plans to go to Washington on the day of the attack on the Capitol.
“We plan on going to DC on the 6th” because “Trump wants all able bodied Patriots to come,” she wrote to Mr. Crowl on Dec. 29.
“If Trump activates the Insurrection Act,” she added, “I’d hate to miss it.”
She texted that she thought it was an elaborate trap and unless Trump said it was OK, it wouldn't be legal. Unless he said to come, she wasn't taking her people.
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I think is entirely likely that Trump supporters are not watching or listening to the impeachment trial, instead they are listening to the right wing pundits.
That's the best they have? If so, better lower your expectations.
Thats called hearsay. Except for a few exceptions, of which I don't see any that would apply here, that kind of testimony wouldnt be allowed in a court if law. But, this is a theatrical production, so we may see it.
If Officer Joe who was on duty and present when the insurrectionists stormed the Capitol on January 6 calls Officer Jill who is vacationing on the French Riviera and tells her that the violent mob were chanting ”hang Mike Pence”, then Officer Jill’s testimony in a court of law about the chanting would be hearsay. Officer Joe’s testimony on the other hand, would be eyewitness testimony of something he witnessedfirst-hand. The latter is admissible evidence.
On 2/10/2021 at 11:37 PM, Beerman said:
Yes, witnesses appearing in person and testifying is much different. That's not what you said, however.
NRSKarenRN clearly said that she’d want to see police relate what they heard rioters say or chant. Even though she didn’t specify, I think it’s reasonable to assume that she had the police officers who were actually present at the event in mind. I have no idea why you appear to have assumed that she was referring to police officers who weren’t present?
On 2/10/2021 at 11:37 PM, Beerman said:
Likely because we all know Trump didn't actually send people to violently storm the Capitol, so there is no one to actually testify to that.
More video. Yawn. No one is disputing that a lawless crowd broke into the Capitol. Just more theater. I wonder how many dozens are still watching?
No, we do not know that at all. I’m convinced that if your ex-President hadn’t lied, lied and lied, over and over and over again about the election being stolen, rigged, fraudulent etc. etc., that mob of violent insurrectionists wouldn’t have congregated in DC and stormed the Capitol and murdered a police officer and wounded dozens more. He and his sycophants deliberately spread disinformation that wasn’t supported by any evidence. That was an act of undermining the electorates faith in your democratic process. Utterly disgraceful and extremely dangerous behavior.
You’ve had many Presidential elections prior to this one and each and every time one political party won and the other lost the election. Before 2020 the losing side didn’t react by storming the Capitol and commit violent crimes. What was the new factor in 2020 that wasn’t present for the earlier elections? All other Presidents or candidates have accepted their loss like men.
The criminals who stormed the Capitol are responsible for their own decisions and actions. But pretending that they hadn’t been systematically whipped into a frenzy is in my opinion either naive or disingenuous and out of touch with reality.
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53 minutes ago, macawake said:
If Officer Joe who was on duty and present when the insurrectionists stormed the Capitol on January 6 calls Officer Jill who is vacationing on the French Riviera and tells her that the violent mob were chanting ”hang Mike Pence”, then Officer Jill’s testimony in a court of law about the chanting would be hearsay. Officer Joe’s testimony on the other hand, would be eyewitness testimony of something he witnessedfirst-hand. The latter is admissible evidence.
NRSKarenRN clearly said that she’d want to see police relate what they heard rioters say or chant. Even though she didn’t specify, I think it’s reasonable to assume that she had the police officers who were actually present at the event in mind. I have no idea why you appear to have assumed that she was referring to police officers who weren’t present?
No, we do not know that at all. I’m convinced that if your ex-President hadn’t lied, lied and lied, over and over and over again about the election being stolen, rigged, fraudulent etc. etc., that mob of violent insurrectionists wouldn’t have congregated in DC and stormed the Capitol and murdered a police officer and wounded dozens more. He and his sycophants deliberately spread disinformation that wasn’t supported by any evidence. That was an act of undermining the electorates faith in your democratic process. Utterly disgraceful and extremely dangerous behavior.
You’ve had many Presidential elections prior to this one and each and every time one political party won and the other lost the election. Before 2020 the losing side didn’t react by storming the Capitol and commit violent crimes. What was the new factor in 2020 that wasn’t present for the earlier elections? All other Presidents have accepted their loss like men.
The criminals who stormed the Capitol are responsible for their own decisions and actions. But pretending that they hadn’t been systematically whipped into a frenzy is in my opinion either naive or disingenuous and out of touch with reality.
This is exactly my thinking.
If Trump and his lies about the election are subtracted from the equation there would have been no gathering in that place at that time.
Seems the Dems arent going to offer any witnesses.
I guess they know that any they can muster up would pale in comparison to the Oliver Stone produced movies and tearful storytelling of some members of Congress.
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"Almost 470,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus so far, with the number widely expected to go above half a million in the next few weeks. At the same time some 27 million people in the US have been infected. Both figures are by far the highest in the world.
Between 2002 and 2019, US public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45% – approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK.
To determine how many deaths from Covid the US could have avoided, the commission weighted the average death rate in the other G7 countries – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the UK – and compared it to the US death rate.
In another comparison, the commission found if US life expectancy was equivalent to the average in the other G7 countries, 461,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2018.In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’ spread.
The US could have averted 40% of the deaths from Covid-19, had the country’s death rates corresponded with the rates in other high-income G7 countries, according to a Lancet commission tasked with assessing Donald Trump’s health policy record."
Does this not add to the fact that the character of Trump re disregard for public safety, further underlines the point of him being the cause of the Insurrection?
How many years did he underscore that if he lost it would be because he was cheated and deliberately stoked that lie? He didn't only cause the insurrection, he encouraged it, exactly as he is the reason for so many Covid deaths. And he did this because of assistance from the GOP.
He is an unthinking person who only cares about the results and not about the consequences of his actions. And he is yet to show remorse or even attempt an apology for his part in caging children, Covid deaths or inciting an Insurrection!
I'm also quite sure that the Impeachment is the least of his worries. This republican party needs to be disbanded because it has turned into a virulent cancer that has metastasized into society and emboldened many fringed dangerous groups to rear their ugly heads. These groups all look to Trump for direction because his goals are their goals!