I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
Kudos to Pence fur using more forceful language. I wonder if Pence knows the difference between populism and fascism.
I can give him props for evolving and speaking up. I do wish, and I remember saying at the time, I wish that he would have been more outspoken against Trump at the time. I remember suggesting he tell Trump where to go and even resign and disassociate himself from Trump and posture himself for a Presidential run in 2020. But also I suppose, given the threats on his life, he did have much to fear.
He, like the rest of him, stated that he would still support Trump should he get the nomination even if convicted. For some reason reporters like asking this question. To me it's a no brainer that they all would get behind Trump to defeat Biden.
I love how when talking about Democrats he used the buzzword "performative outage". Yawn.
My main problem with Pence is his promotion of his "moral values" as part to the traditional conservative package. He showed what this means when he was a politician in Indiana especially with the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" there. He was anti-gay marriage and comes across as so homophobic there's a myth on social media that he's a closeted gay man (because there have been a few anti-gay Republicans that have been gay).
Anyway, Populism is an interesting concept and it's very interesting that of all people Trump is the leader of it on the right and took it to the mainstream. Occupy Wallstreet and the rise against the 1% seems to have fizzled out on the left.
OWS was never about media clout. It was about the lack of accountability and integrity of the people who run things: banks, elected officials, corporations, regulators ... you know - the folks that gave us Enron and the 2008 housing crash.
I'm not sure anyone claimed populists were about media clout. But I agree that OWS perhaps meant to only be temporary and seed something bigger.
I was thinking about populism on the left when they came to mind. But thinking on it more, I think it's manifested in the Social Democrats and people like "The Squad"...the "others" that make noise against the establishment and want equity.
toomuchbaloney said:
Trump isn't a populist. Populists accept election results
Mature adults accept election results. But he rose on the idea that he was for the average (white, Christian, heterosexual) person and against the Republican establishment. In that respect he was somewhat of a populist.
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I'm not sure anyone claimed populists were about media clout. But I agree that OWS perhaps meant to only be temporary and seed something bigger.
I was thinking about populism on the left when they came to mind. But thinking on it more, I think it's manifested in the Social Democrats and people like "The Squad"...the "others" that make noise against the establishment and want equity.
Mature adults accept election results. But he rose on the idea that he was for the average (white, Christian, heterosexual) person and against the Republican establishment. In that respect he was somewhat of a populist.
Trump took his populism to fascism when he decided that he should lie about election results.
While populism occurs on both sides of a two party political system, the left wing populism differs from right wing populism in important ways.
Here is a discussion of some of those differences.
Kudos to Pence fur using more forceful language. I wonder if Pence knows the difference between populism and fascism.
Well, if he didn't realize that Trump had fascist tendencies, he would be stupid. If he KNEW Trump was a wanna-be authoritarian and he worked for him anyway, he would be a cynic willing to kiss the cheeks of a horrible and incompetent person just for a title. Either way, he is a deplorable.
In my opinion, both men (trump and Pence) are useful idiots. Trump in service to Putin, Pence in service to the radical religious right. Pence appears to have received his marching orders. Thankfully, Pence listened to Luttig on Jan. 6. Let's hope he keeps it up.
Trump took his populism to fascism when he decided that he should lie about election results.
While populism occurs on both sides of a two party political system, the left wing populism differs from right wing populism in important ways.
Here is a discussion of some of those differences.
I can agree he crossed a line when he lost the election. But I'm talking mainly about him emerging at the populist leader in 2016. Quoting from the article you posted, this sounds like Trump et al
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Right-wing populism's incompatibility with democracy is clear when one carefully considers who "the people" often are in the populist imagination. They are not all the people. They are the minimum winning coalition of the people, and usually a part of the people that are defined in terms of their ascriptive characteristics (e.g., white). Such an exclusionary view of "the people" cannot be reconciled with democracy's requirement of political equality.
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Tweety said:
I can agree he crossed a line when he lost the election. But I'm talking mainly about him emerging at the populist leader in 2016. Quoting from the article you posted, this sounds like Trump et al
Right wing populism almost always evolves into fascism. It just does.
Interviews with nearly two dozen lobbyists, political consultants and lawmakers revealed that DeSantis' struggles as a presidential candidate have already eroded his influence in Florida. There is a widespread expectation that his candidacy will end in failure. His standing at home may depend on how long he slogs forward in the presidential campaign — and how he will manage his exit from the race if he eventually drops out.
DeSantis is tanking nationally. I think that people would have been fine with him as governor, or a state senator, but with Trump in the mix, it's all about Trump and he made a bad decision with his timing.
I don't know 9 points is "edging out", but anyway...
"Trump edges out Biden 51-42 in head-to-head matchup: POLL"
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"President Joe Biden's job approval rating is 19 points underwater, his ratings for handling the economy and immigration are at career lows. A record number of Americans say they've become worse off under his presidency, three-quarters say he's too old for another term and Donald Trump is looking better in retrospect -- all severe challenges for Biden in his reelection campaign ahead."
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Imagine thinking that polling more than 12 months out from a presidential election is accurate enough to suggest that Trump won't lose yet another election.
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I can give him props for evolving and speaking up. I do wish, and I remember saying at the time, I wish that he would have been more outspoken against Trump at the time. I remember suggesting he tell Trump where to go and even resign and disassociate himself from Trump and posture himself for a Presidential run in 2020. But also I suppose, given the threats on his life, he did have much to fear.
He, like the rest of him, stated that he would still support Trump should he get the nomination even if convicted. For some reason reporters like asking this question. To me it's a no brainer that they all would get behind Trump to defeat Biden.
I love how when talking about Democrats he used the buzzword "performative outage". Yawn.
My main problem with Pence is his promotion of his "moral values" as part to the traditional conservative package. He showed what this means when he was a politician in Indiana especially with the "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" there. He was anti-gay marriage and comes across as so homophobic there's a myth on social media that he's a closeted gay man (because there have been a few anti-gay Republicans that have been gay).
Anyway, Populism is an interesting concept and it's very interesting that of all people Trump is the leader of it on the right and took it to the mainstream. Occupy Wallstreet and the rise against the 1% seems to have fizzled out on the left.