I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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Funny how Trump facilitated the vaccinations quickly and also advised people should get them and som3 democrats initially refused "Trump's vaccine".
The vaccines were mandated by the government. Many had to provide proof of their medical status.
However, care to answer the question on what private medical information should be and not be protected? Which was the initial question.
Yes, funny that you are back to that tired and debunked nonsense about "some" liberals refusing "Trump's vaccine".
Many still have to provide proof of vaccination for employment in their field.
PHI should be, and is protected information. Vaccination status is PHI and people can choose not to disclose their immunization record. Employers are sometimes pretty intrusive.
Why do you suppose that those medical centers outline that level of care for women? Did you consult their information to formulate an opinion as to why different approaches to the care might exist and be utilized?
The nature of your post leads me to believe that this discussion is upsetting to you. These procedures are generally upsetting for the women involved too. Do you want to limit their options to reduce your discomfort?
Why don't you answer the question instead of using manipulation and appeal to emotion?
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What is appeal to emotion fallacy?
Appeal to emotion fallacy occurs when someone tries to win an argument by evoking emotion, without using facts or logic. Arguments that appeal to our emotions often attempt to influence our viewpoints in a manipulative way.
I said nothing about my feeling but asked you provide an example of what medical indication requires "killing of a fetus" before delivery to protect the woman's health/life?
It's because some democrats have allowed radical far left ideology to guide their actions and words.
They do not want to say there should be any restrictions because they fear being called names and the wrath of the radicals. If they said anything other than " it's a decision between the mother and the physician" they run the risk of being called all the nasty names they call people who want some restrictions. Or having the same opinions of the conservatives It's too risky. Just like defining a woman.
There are a whole lot of us, and I've heard for many years from a whole lot of people in my life that say "I wouldn't want an abortion for myself or family, but it's not my place to tell another person what they can do" and they leave it at that. That's kind of where I'm at. The reason I don't give specifics is not out of fear but it's just not my place to define what abortion limits are.
It definitely is risky for a Democrat politician to break with the party and promote pro-life agenda. They would be roasted and voted out of office. I'll give you that one.
I saw a reel on Instagram last night and it was a very beautiful trans woman talking about how she transitioned in the 70's when there wasn't much support and there is a lot of support now. She was 62 and looked stunning and there is no how no way anyone would guess she was trans. The comments were "congrats on all those years of being a man"..."get your prostate checked man" "you're still a man regardless of what the liberals say".
I also saw a before transition picture of a woman and an after transitioning to a man (obviously many years later as he had a beard). It was only a picture but you could see the stress and misery of the woman, and the glow of happiness for the man.
For some it's very easy to define a woman, it's because you were born female with female genitalia and you've grown up. I allow transexual to be the gender they say they are now. I will not mock them, and I will not insult them, but will accept them as just part of the human perspective. It's easy for me and it's the most decent thing to do.
I think these two approaches are allowing for more freedom than restrictive policies and deny the freedom of choice to have an abortion or freedom to transition to one's true authentic self.
Obviously people are very concerned for children (except for shootings because as VP Candidate Vance says they are a fact of life) but I do believe there is such a thing as trans children. I think I should stay out of their family.
Anyway, we've been down that trans rabbit hole as well during the bathroom debates and the man swimming as a woman.
It's exhausting.
(What didn't kill kids this week: transpeople, drag queens, books and pronouns...just sayin')
"MSNBC Highlights" from yesterday on YouTube has a couple of interesting takes. First is Rachel Maddow's dive into the right wing's resurrection of holocaust denial. Second, Jen Psaki's exploration of historical examples of election violence in the US.
There are a whole lot of us, and I've heard for many years from a whole lot of people in my life that say "I wouldn't want an abortion for myself or family, but it's not my place to tell another person what they can do" and they leave it at that. That's kind of where I'm at. The reason I don't give specifics is not out of fear but it's just not my place to define what abortion limits are.
It definitely is risky for a Democrat politician to break with the party and promote pro-life agenda. They would be roasted and voted out of office. I'll give you that one.
I saw a reel on Instagram last night and it was a very beautiful trans woman talking about how she transitioned in the 70's when there wasn't much support and there is a lot of support now. She was 62 and looked stunning and there is no how no way anyone would guess she was trans. The comments were "congrats on all those years of being a man"..."get your prostate checked man" "you're still a man regardless of what the liberals say".
I also saw a before transition picture of a woman and an after transitioning to a man (obviously many years later as he had a beard). It was only a picture but you could see the stress and misery of the woman, and the glow of happiness for the man.
For some it's very easy to define a woman, it's because you were born female with female genitalia and you've grown up. I allow transexual to be the gender they say they are now. I will not mock them, and I will not insult them, but will accept them as just part of the human perspective. It's easy for me and it's the most decent thing to do.
I think these two approaches are allowing for more freedom than restrictive policies and deny the freedom of choice to have an abortion or freedom to transition to one's true authentic self.
Obviously people are very concerned for children (except for shootings because as VP Candidate Vance says they are a fact of life) but I do believe there is such a thing as trans children. I think I should stay out of their family.
Anyway, we've been down that trans rabbit hole as well during the bathroom debates and the man swimming as a woman.
It's exhausting.
(What didn't kill kids this week: transpeople, drag queens, books and pronouns...just sayin')
Sometimes I think the loud radicals on both sides are noticed the most. Or we are put in general categories. I'm republican so I must be fully against abortion because some red states ban abortion. Or democrats are for abortion up to birth because some blue states have no restrictions. Both claim to care about women and children. And I think both do. However while we throw quips at eachother the women and children are left in the dark.
I'm not familiar with Vance's words so I'll have to look in to that.
I think a trans woman/ person should be allowed to play any sport that does not create a major disadvantage to the female athletes or potential to cause injury. So the hight, body mass and muscle mass of a post puberty transwoman in swimming is a no for me. And a hard no in contact sports like boxing etc. Now if the athlete trans early, before puberty that might be different. However how would we determine that? Also I'm not sure I agree with puberty blockers either. I most certainly would not for my children be in agreement with that. Is all so complicated.
I do fundamentally belive that there is primary biological sex. Some rare variation do exist. I only take issue when the loud radicals say that everyone must accept their chosen identity but trying to ascertain that biological sex doesn't exist. Again, the loud radicals are heard most. Same goes with the rude comments towards LGBTQ.
I do not consider my views as extreem. I know you said you didn't want to get into it but I respect your opinion. What is your take on bathrooms , sports and puberty lockers?
(Nashville school shooter was trans, just saying. )
Yes, funny that you are back to that tired and debunked nonsense about "some" liberals refusing "Trump's vaccine".
Many still have to provide proof of vaccination for employment in their field.
PHI should be, and is protected information. Vaccination status is PHI and people can choose not to disclose their immunization record. Employers are sometimes pretty intrusive.
If you do not disclose you could get fired.
Yes and some people can move to a state that better suits their healthcare needs like abortion. Just like a person doesn't have to disclose their health care status and find a new job.
"MSNBC Highlights" from yesterday on YouTube has a couple of interesting takes. First is Rachel Maddow's dive into the right wing's resurrection of holocaust denial. Second, Jen Psaki's exploration of historical examples of election violence in the US.
Have any current topics to discuss?
How about the radical left's open antisemitism and support for terrorist? Or does it not count because the color of the skin isn't right?
Besides, can't you imagine what will be unburden by was has been?
I do not consider my views as extreem. I know you said you didn't want to get into it but I respect your opinion. What is your take on bathrooms , sports and puberty lockers?
Trans people should be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice. I mean how would you feel if this transgendered man was forced to use the same bathroom as you just because there was a law that said he had to? It does get a bit complicated when you're talking schools and military, but I allow them to work it out. I personally have never met a woman that's been uncomfortable in a public restroom, and as a man that uses public restrooms I certainly never have been.
I'm pretty okay with the restrictions that some organizations have in place, such as not allowing a newly transitioning transperson to compete in sports. Males to female during initial transition might be at an unfair advantage.
Like I said, I believe trans children exist and the decision to use puberty blockers should be a personal one between the child, parent, and doctors. I know people will say they are too young to know they are trans, and will parade a person who transitioned with regrets, but as a gay man that knew he was gay prior to puberty, I believe trans kids know this too. I don't think there should be a law to stop the few that go for a medical transition early in life to stop them. But it also must be made with much counseling and education, not just on a whim.
I remember the idea of "transterrorism" and other rhetoric around the Nashville shooting. Vance at the time of the Nashville shooting "a trans shooter targeted a Christian school, there needs to be a lot of soul searching on the extreme left. Giving in to these ideas isn't compassion, it's dangerous.”
And people blame the left for politicizing a shooting, which I can't disagree with as a shooting is a time to rally support for the anti-gun lobby.
Trans people should be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice. I mean how would you feel if this transgendered man was forced to use the same bathroom as you just because there was a law that said he had to? It does get a bit complicated when you're talking schools and military, but I allow them to work it out. I personally have never met a woman that's been uncomfortable in a public restroom, and as a man that uses public restrooms I certainly never have been.
I'm pretty okay with the restrictions that some organizations have in place, such as not allowing a newly transitioning transperson to compete in sports. Males to female during initial transition might be at an unfair advantage.
Like I said, I believe trans children exist and the decision to use puberty blockers should be a personal one between the child, parent, and doctors. I know people will say they are too young to know they are trans, and will parade a person who transitioned with regrets, but as a gay man that knew he was gay prior to puberty, I believe trans kids know this too. I don't think there should be a law to stop the few that go for a medical transition early in life to stop them. But it also must be made with much counseling and education, not just on a whim.
I remember the idea of "transterrorism" and other rhetoric around the Nashville shooting. Vance at the time of the Nashville shooting "a trans shooter targeted a Christian school, there needs to be a lot of soul searching on the extreme left. Giving in to these ideas isn't compassion, it's dangerous.”
And people blame the left for politicizing a shooting, which I can't disagree with as a shooting is a time to rally support for the anti-gun lobby.
I mostly agree with all.
The Nashville shooter's manifesto describe some radical ideas and personal struggles around transgender ideology. I would agree highlighting that is not responsible.
However I think highllghting any shooters immutable characteristics is also not resposible. And/or even identifying their politics. I've heard "young white males have a problem with guns....etc".
Speaking of trans people and bathrooms, I've frequently wondered how one tells whether a given person in a public bathroom is trans. Genital checks at the door? CCTV in the stalls? Or do the bathroom police have superpowers like the doctors at my college health service who insisted, they could "just tell" when a student was gay.
Interesting on how you arrived at that. I can't find a reason to disagree.
Why do you suppose Democrat politicians are so hesitant to speak out in agreement with a rationale like yours?
Democrats are NOT the ones who negated a respectable and thoughtful Roe v Wade decision. It's Republicans and their minions at SCOTUS that have to explain to everyone else why 24 weeks was an unreasonable decision.
Trans people should be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice. I mean how would you feel if this transgendered man was forced to use the same bathroom as you just because there was a law that said he had to? It does get a bit complicated when you're talking schools and military, but I allow them to work it out. I personally have never met a woman that's been uncomfortable in a public restroom, and as a man that uses public restrooms I certainly never have been.
I'm pretty okay with the restrictions that some organizations have in place, such as not allowing a newly transitioning transperson to compete in sports. Males to female during initial transition might be at an unfair advantage.
Like I said, I believe trans children exist and the decision to use puberty blockers should be a personal one between the child, parent, and doctors. I know people will say they are too young to know they are trans, and will parade a person who transitioned with regrets, but as a gay man that knew he was gay prior to puberty, I believe trans kids know this too. I don't think there should be a law to stop the few that go for a medical transition early in life to stop them. But it also must be made with much counseling and education, not just on a whim.
I remember the idea of "transterrorism" and other rhetoric around the Nashville shooting. Vance at the time of the Nashville shooting "a trans shooter targeted a Christian school, there needs to be a lot of soul searching on the extreme left. Giving in to these ideas isn't compassion, it's dangerous.”
And people blame the left for politicizing a shooting, which I can't disagree with as a shooting is a time to rally support for the anti-gun lobby.
Europe often has non-gendered bathrooms and one can get use to it pretty quickly. No one has to touch up make-up in view of a urinal so it's OK with me!
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Yes, funny that you are back to that tired and debunked nonsense about "some" liberals refusing "Trump's vaccine".
Many still have to provide proof of vaccination for employment in their field.
PHI should be, and is protected information. Vaccination status is PHI and people can choose not to disclose their immunization record. Employers are sometimes pretty intrusive.