I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
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heron said:
Heh! You gotta admit that it's an interesting riff on the baby-eating trope: re-name infanticide as "post-birth abortion". The possibilities are endless. She who defines the issues wins the debate.
In my religion, words, especially names, have enormous power. Calling anything out of its name is dangerous. IOW, be careful what you wish for.
Just sayin'.
It's exhausting dealing with people who have been manipulated with fear mongering. It's not healthy.
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Beerman said:
Interesting on how you arrived at that. I can't find a reason to disagree.
Why do you suppose Democrat politicians are so hesitant to speak out in agreement with a rationale like yours?
Why do Republicans feel a need to dictate the language used by others while they try to dictate which reproductive health women can have access to? We had a type of agreement about abortion and that got upset by an activist court.
It looks like team Trump is trying to stir up the Ohio campaign with some weird racist messaging.
Reckless and divisive language seems to be the normal for team Trump. Trump has mental illness which explains some of his erratic and questionable judgment. How do you explain the craziness of the others?
You do know that it is currently illegal to kill newborn babies or children, right? Besides, if we really wanted to protect already born children we might consider some better gun laws instead of thoughts and prayers.
Name another effective and safe medical treatment which is arbitrarily limited or banned because of the feelings and beliefs of other people.
That's great because I know it's illegal to kill a new born baby and I wasn't talking abput that.
However carry on by purposly misrepresenting my word trying to make me sound like an irrational person who thinks "new born babies are being killed". And you can keep stating that the it's the choice of the woman and the physician to abort at anytime.....
I'm not too worried about it. Every now and then I get irritated but I try not to be distracted by obvbvious attemps to discredit what I say with ad hominiem attacks.
On the issue of abortion, good applicable laws is what we're trying to get to. Currently, there are some places where it's illegal after 6 weeks (too restrictive imo) and places where there are no restrictions (too lenient imo).
When I try to discuss this, it's to see what common ground we agree on. Tweety, Subee, and I seem to be on the same page. I believe our views mirror that of most Americans. Others are OK for no restrictions as it's a matter between the doctor and patient. What's interesting is how those folks are uncomfortable just saying it and instead dance around it just like their Democrat leaders.
Yes, there are many restrictions imposed by the government on medical matters. Prescriptions for medications jumps to mind. When you mentioned DNR's, I thought of physician assisted suicides.
Anyway, I'm crawling back out of this rabbit hole as we've gone way deep into it in the past.
It's because some democrats have allowed radical far left ideology to guide their actions and words.
They do not want to say there should be any restrictions because they fear being called names and the wrath of the radicals. If they said anything other than " it's a decision between the mother and the physician" they run the risk of being called all the nasty names they call people who want some restrictions. Or having the same opinions of the conservatives It's too risky. Just like defining a woman.
Vaccination status is a matter of public health, especially during a pandemic. Nurses have long had to demonstrate vaccination to train and work in the USA. Funny how Trump made a vaccine political, isn't it?
Most nurses don't work for the government, they work for private employers.
Funny how Trump facilitated the vaccinations quickly and also advised people should get them and som3 democrats initially refused "Trump's vaccine".
The vaccines were mandated by the government. Many had to provide proof of their medical status.
However, care to answer the question on what private medical information should be and not be protected? Which was the initial question.
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Crusades said:
That's great because I know it's illegal to kill a new born baby and I wasn't talking abput that.
However carry on by purposly misrepresenting my word trying to make me sound like an irrational person who thinks "new born babies are being killed". And you can keep stating that the it's the choice of the woman and the physician to abort at anytime.....
You did talk about that.
Thank you for giving me permission to participate in these discussions.
Paraphrasing the thoughts of others can help to facilitate improved understanding. It's a communication technique. What did I intentionally misrepresent? Please be specific so that we can all understand.
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Crusades said:
Tell me a medical condition that risks a woman's health or that requires "killing a fetus" (your words) before the physical abortion?
Or a condition that would warrant "killing a fetus" before it's delivered. Extreem deformity/condition.
Why do you suppose that those medical centers outline that level of care for women? Did you consult their information to formulate an opinion as to why different approaches to the care might exist and be utilized?
The nature of your post leads me to believe that this discussion is upsetting to you. These procedures are generally upsetting for the women involved too. Do you want to limit their options to reduce your discomfort?
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That's a method of killing the fetus.
Did you just learn about this?